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vv123

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In primary what are considered good/average/poor grades on an event? Is straight 4's awesome or average. Do 3's really mean below average? Anyone know how the numbers (1.15 and so forth) convert to NSS?
 

beau

Registered User
It all depends on MIF. Early on, Standards are lower and once you have proformed each maneuver you are expected to get proficent at them as your training progresses. This means that the minimum score goes up the farther you move along in training. MIF usually starts out at 3 for most all maneuvers then climbs later. Really, you should not worry about grades........cause it will drive you insane and distract you from studying what you need to study. You really will not know how you have done during training until you are done......unless you are gettin pink sheets and have difficulty of course...........so I would say, if your confident that you are doing well (aka no one seems to be bothering you), I'm sure you are doing fine.
 

Jaxs170

www.YANKEESSUCK.com
Gonna vary squadron to squadron, selection to selection, just all depends on how the magic elf who pulls the final NSS out of his magic hat feels when he does it for YOU!

Seriously, trying to covert that 1.XX score to an NSS is virtually impossible, as I found out almost the hard way. I had a 1.184, and based on the gouge I had gotten the night before I got my final NSS, I thought I was going to be right on the 60 jet cutoff like +/- a point or two at most. Um, yeah, ended up with a 53.8 (which thank God was still good enough to get my first choice E-6 which I wouldn't trade for any other platform right now). A guy in another squadron had an overall 1.15 score and ended up with a 65 to prove my point.

The only thing I can offer: study your behind off, fly like the devil himself is after you, and accept nothing less the 150% effort from yourself.
 

bch

Helo Bubba
pilot
Magic elf eh? I thought it was a monkey who threw his poop at a chart with numbers on the opposite wall.

It will change every week what equals what, the best gouge to give you is as follows...
you can make the most money (grade wise) in the sims. Those guys will hand out 5's like candy for a good flight. It was not uncommon in the latter RI's for a student here and there to get strait 5's on an event. Plus MIF is always lower in the early block sims in RI's and BI's and always lower than MIF in the aircraft.

Also, this from the corpus side about 5 mos ago, put NO FAITH into the projected NSS that your sqd will give you when you do your jacket reviews or your projected NSS b4 your grades go off to CNATRA. Not uncommon for them to be off by 10-15 points.

Just work hard and have fun man. Primary is a fun time, advanced (at least helos) is even cooler. Good luck
 

bch

Helo Bubba
pilot
it is not officially... however, most people ( in the navy ) recently have not gotten jets with anything less... Jet spots are a little hard to come by right now.
 

virtu050

P-8 Bubba
pilot
yeah my NSS was 10 points lower than expected... had i selected 2 weeks earlier it would've been 10 points higher than what i got. Ask your sqdn to print out the avg grades per stage (fams, bi's, forms etc.) and if your grade (i.e. 1.10, 1.2) is above your sdn avg for that stage then you know you'll have above a 50 NSS. that's about as close to "knowing" how well you're doing.
 

squeeze

Retired Harrier Dude
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Don't worry about your grades in primary...there is almost no way to figure it out based on the 1.xx system. Believe me, being the first JPPT class outta Corpus, we tried over and over. My 1.whatever based on the gouge scale stucon had and the real NSS that came back from CNATRA was about 6 points off. It's a ridiculously long mathematical formula based on the standard deviation of the past 200 sna's to finish in your squadron - thus, it changes weekly. You can WAG it, and might get within 10 pts, but don't count on it.

I'll give you the advice I gave every other person who asked me in Primary: Don't worry about your NSS... there is nothing you can do about it. Study for the briefs, because there is no excuse for RR downing a flight. Show a drive to succeed and the IPs will help you learn to fly. Don't worry about the actual numbers - if you're in trouble, they'll let you know, if not, don't let it go to your head.
 

vv123

Registered User
I understand that it's hard to calculate your NSS, but I'm just trying to figure out what an average flight is compared to an excellent hop. Is something like straight 4's the norm? Or straight 3's?
 

bch

Helo Bubba
pilot
Did you read Beau's post? It all depends on MIF. Just getting MIF is not a good flight, the more above MIF's you get the better the flight. If you just get MIF all the way through you will be in the 30's. That is for Primary at least.
Obviously the more above MIFs you have in a flgith, the better the flight. Straight 4 may be good when MIF is all 3's and 2's. But it is gonna suck when MIF on everything is a 4.
Ask around in your ready room, not hard to find out in about 5 mins where everyone is breaking out. Then you can figure out what is good for that time in primary.
 
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