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[Fly Navy]

Yup, copy all on the Torrents, and I'm a big proponent of them. I think you can still hold a tape recorder to your stereo, legally. But digitally recording the same song gets sticky. Should it be different if you paid for the song? There's the big debate. One huge issue I have w/ the DMCA is that it makes downloading independently recorded broadcast TV technically illegal. There's a multitude of reasons why that's stupid.

The laws on copying music, video, etc get very screwed up with regard to fair use law. It is perfectly acceptable to photocopy pages from a book for your OWN personal use, i.e. not for reproduction, etc. Yet somehow it's illegal to copy a digital stream from say a streaming radio station. There is way too much slack going on there and the courts need to make up their minds.

I remember when the CSS (I think that's what it was called) code came out to allow for open source DVD software (ala Unix/Linux). There was all sorts of free speech issues and whatnot and the courts decided that software code was a form of expressive speech. Wierd. The digital arena makes things a whole other game.

 

[A4sForever]

......I think you can still hold a tape recorder to your stereo, legally. But digitally recording the same song gets sticky. Should it be different if you paid for the song? There's the big debate. One huge issue I have w/ the DMCA is that it makes downloading independently recorded broadcast TV technically illegal. There's a multitude of reasons why that's stupid.

There's a lot of hypocracy in the "artistic/intellectual property" arguments ... but since it's always about money and power ... who wants to argue with 'em??? If called on the carpet -- you'll lose. I don't want to be made an "example of " by the Feds ...

 

[Gatordev]

There's a lot of hypocracy in the "artistic/intellectual property" arguments ... but since it's always about money and power ... who wants to argue with 'em??? If called on the carpet -- you'll lose. I don't want to be made an "example of " by the Feds ...

Yeah, and that's why guys like the Electronic Frontier Foundation fight the battles for us. The whole Sony root kit was a huge example of why the DMCA doesn't work. "Hey, there's a security flaw in your copyright protection." "Oh well, if you tell anyone, we'll have you arrested." Greeeat.

 

[Fly Navy]

There's a lot of hypocracy in the "artistic/intellectual property" arguments ... but since it's always about money and power ... who wants to argue with 'em??? If called on the carpet -- you'll lose. I don't want to be made an "example of " by the Feds ...

And the big companies actually tend to be the enemy for new technology. They were so huge against CD, DVD, and now MP3 and other digital encoding. Funny, all technology that revolutionized the media industry.

 

[Steve Wilkins]

But digitally recording the same song gets sticky. Should it be different if you paid for the song? There's the big debate.

If I've paid for the song, I believe I've paid for the rights to use that song anyway I want SO LONG as it is for personal, non-commerical use and that I'm not allowing others to copy it. If I want to use it in a home video I've recorded, so be it. I've paid for the rights to do that. If I want to make a mix CD....again, my prerogative.

 

[Gatordev]

If I've paid for the song, I believe I've paid for the rights to use that song anyway I want SO LONG as it is for personal, non-commerical use and that I'm not allowing others to copy it. If I want to use it in a home video I've recorded, so be it. I've paid for the rights to do that. If I want to make a mix CD....again, my prerogative.

So I take it it's time for the big debate then? I, personally, agree w/ you. Sometimes the government agrees with you, sometimes it doesn't. However, regardless of the above, if you tell me how to get around the copy protection of the thing you own and then copy it, you're breaking the law, again, as per the DMCA.

 

[Fly Navy]

So I take it it's time for the big debate then? I, personally, agree w/ you. Sometimes the government agrees with you, sometimes it doesn't. However, regardless of the above, if you tell me how to get around the copy protection of the thing you own and then copy it, you're breaking the law, again, as per the DMCA.

Which is funny, because information should never be deemed illegal. Knowing HOW to make a bomb is not illegal... it may be suspicious and end up getting unwanted attention... but not illegal.

The digital arena and law really gets under my skin.

 

[Steve Wilkins]

So I take it it's time for the big debate then? I, personally, agree w/ you. Sometimes the government agrees with you, sometimes it doesn't. However, regardless of the above, if you tell me how to get around the copy protection of the thing you own and then copy it, you're breaking the law, again, as per the DMCA.

Maybe we should turn it around and question the legality of copy protection.

 

[Thisguy]

Pandora on NMCI Computers

Has anyone else tried to run pandora on an NMCI computer? I've had it going a couple of months ago, then the page stopped loading, I figured maybe those guys gave up or something. Then this thread surfaced and I tried it at home, whaddya know, it worked.

Is NMCI blocking this much like it has blocked signing into Yahoo! Mail (they even blocked the secret way of logging in via in.yahoo.com...bast ards)?