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Mine went stupid on me. It now wants to eject the enbloc after the 1st or 2nd shot. Can that be adjusted out?
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Garand Repair Question
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You do not indicate whether your Garand is a USGI warrior, a foreign P.O.S., or a modern US made commercial product. I have never seen this malfunction personally, but I've heard of it. I was told that it's normally caused as a result of improper cleaning, assuming there's nothing else "wrong".Mine went stupid on me. It now wants to eject the enbloc after the 1st or 2nd shot. Can that be adjusted out?
EASY ANSWER:
Try cleaning the external clip release latch/spring. You will have to strip this part off the rifle (check your M1 Garand TM manual) to thoroughly clean and lube the part. It can become fouled with the result being the first few rounds eject normally, but then the enbloc clip with the remaining rounds ejects due to the sticking latch.
Actually, a thorough stripping and cleaning of the receiver is where I would start. And don't use dirty ammunition ....
HARDER ANSWER: from US Army FM 23-5, TM 9-1005-222-35 & TM 9-1275
Premature cartridge clip ejection: Probable cause(s)/Action-Remedy
• Worn cartridge clip detents. ------------• Replace cartridge clip.
• Weak clip latch spring.------------------• Replace clip latch spring.
• Worn clip latch.-------------------------• Replace clip latch.
• Bent follower rod.-----------------------• Replace follower rod.
• Worn follower rod forks.-----------------• Replace follower rod.
• Worn or deformed op rod catch.---------• Replace op rod catch.
• Worn follower arm.----------------------• Replace follower arm.
• Follower rod rubs on op rod catch.------• Replace follower rod, clip latch, or op rod catch.
ALOHA.
MasterBates
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I had that problem once.. It was a timing issue, and a new clip latch that was in spec fixed it.
That would be my second choice if a thorough cleaning does not make your Garand "happy" .... and don't use cheap/dirty ammunition.
Did I already say that ... ???
WheelsUpHeelsUp
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OK I should have been more specific. It started all of a sudden, no prior effups. It's a 1943 vintage Springfield that suffered in the Korean army and came back through Bluesky. I use Greek HXP ammo and new enblocs out of the spam can from CMP which has served me well in the same rifle for several hundred rounds. Everything has worked as advertised until last week.
The only thing I have had to do to this weapon is put a new Ebay oprod spring in it that has worked great until now. I'll tear it down and first replace the clip spring then go from there I guess.
Right now it's a fine looking semi auto single shot! :icon_rage
Thanks for your suggestions!
The only thing I have had to do to this weapon is put a new Ebay oprod spring in it that has worked great until now. I'll tear it down and first replace the clip spring then go from there I guess.
Right now it's a fine looking semi auto single shot! :icon_rage
Thanks for your suggestions!
That's two problems ...
.... the first you can't do too much about, except replace worn parts ... the ROK's were not famous for their USGI small arms care and feeding ... most of the Blue Sky imports are shit ... the ROK's did better with their F-4's, however .... you could eat bulgoki and kimche off the wings on those things.
... the second ... beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Two guys I know "who know" said Greek surplus .30-06 is C-R-A-P ...
Just sayin' ...
WheelsUpHeelsUp
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That's two problems ...
.... the first you can't do too much about, except replace worn parts ... the ROK's were not famous for their USGI small arms care and feeding ... most of the Blue Sky imports are shit ... the ROK's did better with their F-4's, however .... you could eat bulgoki and kimche off the wings on those things.
... the second ... beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Two guys I know "who know" said Greek surplus .30-06 is C-R-A-P ...
Just sayin' ...
It was a good shooter until it went tits up so I don't think the ROK is all to blame. It is a zillion years old you know. As far as the Greek ammo goes, it's as accurate as the LC that I have with no variance in powder weight I randomly tested. My BAR shoots it as well as it does commercial ammo. The HXP is fine IMO.
Best guess, it's tired and needs some new hardware but I hope to clean it tomorrow and go to the range Sunday.
I've heard good things about Greek 30-06. It was made to USGI spec so should function just fine. About this ebay op-rod spring -- timing needs springs that are tensioned right, do you know that spring was new. As long as you're on a mission, you might want to get an M-1 Garand Spring Kit from Brownells.
WheelsUpHeelsUp
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Uhhhhhh .... I don't think so, as I've "heard" :
Different ... i.e., bad things about Greek 30-06 ... i.e., dirty ammo ... and face-to-face ... not second hand .... by experienced, nationally recognized in good-to-go "schools" (at least one primo "shooter" ) from former SEAL-sniper long gun boys .... so I'm gonna go with the boys who know what they are talkin' about ... much more so than you or I .... unless you've got a better plan ....
... and I doubt that.And ... as several brands of ammo are advertised as "USGI spec" .... (except they're just "different")
... I don't count that as my litmus test. Nor should anyone else.Example: with bargain basement factory ammo -- Winchester white box is much, much "dirtier" throughout the caliber spectrum than Federal red box .... it WILL foul your weapon sooner than Red box .... but both are "USGI spec ".
Greek??? Forget it. It's dirty, but still USGI 'spec' . Unless your priority is just to buy ammunition as cheaply as possible; then who cares, yes ????
And .... what IS USGI 'spec' ??? .... it's the lowest bidder, that's what. 70% and "fly" says the Gov't .... I want better .... I want 100% out of my ammunition.
Don't shoot cheap ammo. Unless you like cleaning .... more than you should.
I have to agree with A4's here...although there is nothing "wrong" with the HXP Greek stuff it is dirty, dirty, dirty. There are lots of reasons to pick up a case however...namely that you will then have lots of enbloc clips and bandoliers to fill up later. It functions well but you need to clean more than you would with say...Federal. I don't mind...to me that's part of communing with my piece of history.
Additionally, the latest CMP sales report is looking rather grim. No Garands are available for order, 200 or so will be sold at Camp Perry here next week and an additional batch at the end of the month but for all practical purposes it looks like the M1 glory days are over at CMP. I hope you didn't wait.
Additionally, the latest CMP sales report is looking rather grim. No Garands are available for order, 200 or so will be sold at Camp Perry here next week and an additional batch at the end of the month but for all practical purposes it looks like the M1 glory days are over at CMP. I hope you didn't wait.
USGI 30-06 ammo has a powder with a burn rate that's correct for the M-1 Garand gas system. Too fast and you won't have enough pressure at the gas port to cycle the bolt, too slow and you can have too much pressure at the gas port and damage/destroy the rifle (bent op-rods and such). IIRC IMR4895 is the powder of choice or one with a similar burn rate -- IMR4064 is close. Greek ammo may be dirty, I was mostly concerned with function.
All my 30-06 has an LC headstamp.
All my 30-06 has an LC headstamp.
I was under the impression that they would have another batch inbound in October; is this no longer the case?