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For Those Who Believe Mental Defect Is Reason For Suspension Of 2nd Amendment Rights

As far as suspension of 2nd Amendment rights, it depends on the disorder. Some disorders are easily controlled or mild to the point where the person owning a fire arm, if properly trained in its use, poses no danger to himself or those around him. However, there are some where there is a definitel danger inherent inthat person owning a firearm.

As far as the author saying that America is over-medicated, I tend to agree. Doctors are too quick to prescribe anti-depressants and various other mental health drugs. I have friends who were medicaed and probably didn't need to be... now some of them are off the medication and still can't deal with thier lives and one who I think may be dead b/c or some issues with his doctor, but that's another story for another day.
 
If someone is sick enough to be declared mentally incompetent or committed then they have no business owning a firearm. It is quite difficult nowadays to have that happen in virtually every state now and those it happens to are almost always on the bad end of being nutty.
 
TheBubba said:
As far as the author saying that America is over-medicated, I tend to agree. Doctors are too quick to prescribe anti-depressants and various other mental health drugs.
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The problem is too many Americans are wimpy hypochondriacs in search of a quick fix for every little ache and pain. For example, there's was a recruit (not a shining star I may add) I encountered while stashed who seemed to have an appointment at branch almost every day because her pelvis/knee/hand/[insert body part here] was aching/broken/strained/[insert ailment here]. The PO1 can't wait till she gets to the fleet and does that.
 
snake020 said:
The problem is too many Americans are wimpy hypochondriacs in search of a quick fix for every little ache and pain. For example, there's was a recruit (not a shining star I may add) I encountered while stashed who seemed to have an appointment at branch almost every day because her pelvis/knee/hand/[insert body part here] was aching/broken/strained/[insert ailment here]. The PO1 can't wait till she gets to the fleet and does that.
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Which is complete shit. And people pulling that crap makes it hard for those of us that have legitimate knee issue during training. Instructors look at you like you're a hypochondriac even if your knee is the size of a grapefruit and you can't touch your toe to the ground without screaming... but I digress...

Its the slow pussification of America... not just men and boys, but society as a whole. To a point, one has to be able to "walk it off".. how many times have we heard a coach say that? I think that philosophy applies not only to physical injuries, but also to mental issues. There's nothing wrong with going to a counselor a few times to blow off steam and get a little outside advice.

Where the problem comes in is exactly what snake alludes to... and what amounts to a significant portion of aforementioned pussification. Medication ain't the end all be all... sometime you just need a swift kick in the ass to see that whatever is weighing on you may be solved by just talking... or fvcking, but hey, to each his own.

Americans as a whole need to crawl out from under their blankets, get out of mommy's bed and slap the shit out of whatever monster is hiding under the bed. The little blue pill isn't going to make it go away... you just forget about it until the pill wears off.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are some issues that need medicating, and the appropriate medications should be prescribed to those individuals.
 
Flash said:
If someone is sick enough to be declared mentally incompetent or committed then they have no business owning a firearm. It is quite difficult nowadays to have that happen in virtually every state now and those it happens to are almost always on the bad end of being nutty.
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And while I agree that people who are dangerous to themselves or others should not have access to firearms, the question remains to what standard and for how long? People do get better and not everyone who is committed is done so for violence.

I have a BIL who has worked his entire career in mental health and much of it doing juvenile assessments for the State of RI. He freely admits that he'll admit a kid for a short period sometimes to get him out of a bad home situation so a real assessment can occur.

Do we now assume this kid is mentally defective for life and remove his right to ever own a firearm?

Slippery slope there Flash. Just because you don't appear to treasure this right many of us put it equal to the other rights and they are not removed trivially so why should this one?
 
The point I was tyring to make here is that there isn't a firm definition of at what point a mental illness or defect would call for the prevention of someone from owning a gun or the removal of guns from their posession. What diagnosis is necessary for someone to be placed on a State or National registry database?

I have noticed that a majority here agree that someone who presents a danger to themselves or others shouldn't be allowed to purchase or own firearms. I tend to lean in that direction myself. I am just afraid that the anti-gun crowd is going to use this as an end run around the Constitution. Think about it this way. If we were all back in school, approximately 50% of us would be determined to have ADHD or some other type of learning disability. These are the new trend in education. For every student diagnosed with ADHD or any of the other so called learning disorders, the school qualifies for more State and Federal funding as well as benefits from the "No Child Left Behind" act. Minor dicipline problems that used to result in detention and punishment of that type, now result in sesions with school psycologists and prescriptions for drugs like Ritalin. The parents are suckered into agreeing with this by being told that accepting this diagnosis will allow their child to recieve special treatment by the school.

If we don't define what constitutes mental illness or defect for the purpose of gun ownership, a BS diagnosis of ADHD in grade school may prevent someone from owning a gun 20 years later.
 
They will make everything a "mental health issue"..

The gun grabbers would use the counseling/screening I was FORCED to go to after my ex wife accused me of abuse as sufficient reason to argue I should not have guns.
 
MasterBates said:
They will make everything a "mental health issue"..

The gun grabbers would use the counseling/screening I was FORCED to go to after my ex wife accused me of abuse as sufficient reason to argue I should not have guns.
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Bingo! I'm not advocating that there be no restrictions on gun ownership for people with mental health issues, I'm just saying that there needs to be a clearly defined proceedure for it.

MB in some areas her accusation alone would be enough.
 
Pugs said:
And while I agree that people who are dangerous to themselves or others should not have access to firearms, the question remains to what standard and for how long? People do get better and not everyone who is committed is done so for violence.

Slippery slope there Flash. Just because you don't appear to treasure this right many of us put it equal to the other rights and they are not removed trivially so why should this one?
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Now I agree that it could be a slippery slope, but I would assume that the NRA and individual gun owners would be watching to see that it is not abused.

I understand that many people might be deemed to have a mental illness or be depressed at one time or another but being declared mentally incompetent or committed for mental illness by the state is something entirely different. I am most familiar with Maryland but nowadays most laws covering committing someone are quite strict, almost always the person has to blatantly exhibit some serious mental defect. Even with people who are very obviously mentally ill, it is often very difficult to get them officially committed. You have to demonstrate the you are a danger to yourself or others, and that standard is often quite hard to meet.

This is all for adults, I am not familiar with juvenile cases and in those I assume the records are sealed when reaching adulthood. Easier to do with someone who is not legally emancipated yet, as kids are, than for adults where you have to take away their rights.

This is very different than 40-50 years ago when people who were just 'different' were sometimes committed on the whims of individual doctors or family members. The pendulum swung the other way and now it is very, very difficult to do that.

So while your fear might be legitimate, my example of people who are committed or declared mentally incompetent would not be one to worry about too much. People that happens too are to my knowledge, almost always batshit crazy.
 
Flash said:
Now I agree that it could be a slippery slope, but I would assume that the NRA and individual gun owners would be watching to see that it is not abused.
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For better or worse HIPA no drives much of this and need to know will keep anyone from truly questioning the validity of any of these.
 
JIMC5499 said:
MB in some areas her accusation alone would be enough.
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Oh it was.

Can you say Lautenburg?

Gotta love the "Felony Conviction Penalty" without even a trial. Cost me THOUSANDS to get it not permanent, and be able to keep my job and get my firearm rights back.

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