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FN Loses M-16 DOD Contract - Award Goes To Saber Defense Of Nashville, TN!
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So the CQC version of the SCAR heavy will be shooting the 7.62x51mm NATO round, just like the longer ones, right? Is that a little overkill maybe? It is interesting that on that powerpoint it really isn't replacing anything, unlike the other versions. I can't imagine that was a stipulation from the operators or written into the procurement request.
Why not just take an old m60 and saw off the barrel? Or maybe just carry around a minigun a la Jesse Ventura in Predator. Then you could really get some.
Yes, the CQC Heavy will be in 7.62. Overkill? You're joking or serious?
We did saw the barrels off the M-60. It was called the MK43, and it was a pig.
There is a huge difference between a short weapon and a light weapon. The MK48 is 7.62, belt fed, and not very light. The M-240 is 7.62 belt fed and heavy.
CQC requires a short, light weapon. The SCAR CQC is that.
Didn't Barrett bring this rifle out a few years ago as the M468?
The 468 became the REQ-7 after heavy modification. Its currently chambered in 6.8SPC not 7.62
Soon to be in 5.56
Barrett does have a .50 CQ. Yes, a close quarters 50.
Then ... I should sell all my AR's before they're worth chump change ... ??? :icon_cryi:icon_cryi:icon_cryi:icon_cryi
Or ... are there piston top-ends coming to civie street available for conversion(s)??? Or mebbe they're ALREADY HERE and I don't know about it???
I have not checked around -- so please excuse if it's an "obvious" question/answer.
A4s -
From what I have seen, the preeminate short stroke piston/rod top end is the HK-416 in 5.56. It is the only production rifle I am aware of that is not a redesign of an existing Stoner gas system upper - and works on standard dimension AR-15/M-16 lowers. The Army's Asymmetric Warfare Group used the HK-416 as late as March 2008 according to press and open source intel.
A number of small companies are producing a piston/rod upper - but these are not ground up engineering efforts on the scale that HK did.
I am unaware of any HK intent to market to non MIL or LEO anytime soon. You know how HK is with CIV sales.
The other two piston rifles that are setting the standard are FN's SCAR and MAGPUL's Masada (Now the Bushmaster ACR) Ground up new rifles but I believe a number of parts - especially trigger group parts and barrels, are standard AR/M-16. SOmeone correct me if need be.
Richard Fitzpatrick, founder of Magpul is a former USMC Force Recon type - the real deal. I would think he and Zissou have crossed paths.
I'll shamelessly plug Magpul's products - if you are an AR enthusiast, Magpuls products are "must haves" - most notably their PMAG polymer magazines in 20 and 30 round flavors. God like reliability and functionality.
From what I have seen, the preeminate short stroke piston/rod top end is the HK-416 in 5.56. It is the only production rifle I am aware of that is not a redesign of an existing Stoner gas system upper - and works on standard dimension AR-15/M-16 lowers. The Army's Asymmetric Warfare Group used the HK-416 as late as March 2008 according to press and open source intel.
A number of small companies are producing a piston/rod upper - but these are not ground up engineering efforts on the scale that HK did.
I am unaware of any HK intent to market to non MIL or LEO anytime soon. You know how HK is with CIV sales.
The other two piston rifles that are setting the standard are FN's SCAR and MAGPUL's Masada (Now the Bushmaster ACR) Ground up new rifles but I believe a number of parts - especially trigger group parts and barrels, are standard AR/M-16. SOmeone correct me if need be.
Richard Fitzpatrick, founder of Magpul is a former USMC Force Recon type - the real deal. I would think he and Zissou have crossed paths.
I'll shamelessly plug Magpul's products - if you are an AR enthusiast, Magpuls products are "must haves" - most notably their PMAG polymer magazines in 20 and 30 round flavors. God like reliability and functionality.
Yeah, Richard is good people and he surrounded himself with people with big brains.
They are the defacto R&D of the small arm industry right now. They invent something new about once a week. Resulting in a handful of good pieces of kit and one or two amazing designs each year.
The drop in gas piston uppers have been problematic.
I rate the GPU's in this order:
Barrett REQ-7
LWRC
ROBINSON XCR
Cant put the Masada on the list til they actually start making them.
A4's you neednt worry. The direct impingement AR rifle will be in service with Big Army through FY2038. Eugene Stoner's black rifle will outlive us all.
They are the defacto R&D of the small arm industry right now. They invent something new about once a week. Resulting in a handful of good pieces of kit and one or two amazing designs each year.
The drop in gas piston uppers have been problematic.
I rate the GPU's in this order:
Barrett REQ-7
LWRC
ROBINSON XCR
Cant put the Masada on the list til they actually start making them.
A4's you neednt worry. The direct impingement AR rifle will be in service with Big Army through FY2038. Eugene Stoner's black rifle will outlive us all.
Hopefully it's not chambered in .50 Browning. There wouldn't be a lot left of the bad guy if it was.
Thanks for the info, Chuckster & Mookie ... I won't have to start crying just yet it appears ...
How 'bout a Patriot Arms piston upper???
I'm gonna' pick one up on MON/TUE ... $1500 +tax out the door ... they claim it to be "bullet-proof" w/regards to functionality on any MIL-SPEC AR-style upper, and claim to be muy compatible w/ any of my extant Rock River, Bushmaster, or DPMS uppers .... in 5.56.
We shall see ....
How 'bout a Patriot Arms piston upper???
I'm gonna' pick one up on MON/TUE ... $1500 +tax out the door ... they claim it to be "bullet-proof" w/regards to functionality on any MIL-SPEC AR-style upper, and claim to be muy compatible w/ any of my extant Rock River, Bushmaster, or DPMS uppers .... in 5.56.
We shall see ....
I own a 5.56 piston upper from LWRC (see Zissou's list)
http://www.lwrifles.com/
Mine has proven to be bomb proof thru about 8K rounds with no cleaning of the gas system. (Actually the gas cup and piston are claimed by LWRC to be "self cleaning". This Vietnam era vet has heard that line before but so far it has proven to be true. I've mounted my LWRC upper on RRA and Bushmaster lowers with no problems at all.
I ruled out Patriot Arms pretty early in my search. YMMV of course.
My second piston upper will be in 6.8 SPC. HK will not be in the running for my business since they have deemed the 416 to much weapon for the common man. I will look closely at LWRC and Barrett though. They do good work.
I have to warn you Sir, the POF is a POS.
They sell like hotcakes because they are one of the only GP uppers that can be dropped in, but they fail and fail and fail. People really want to get onboard with the GP gun so they continue to sell.
They are maddeningly unreliable.
I cant say enough good things about the Barrett. The LWRC is also top shelf. The Robinson XCR is good but is still improving.
But the Barrett is running 2,700 bux. Not cheap.
They sell like hotcakes because they are one of the only GP uppers that can be dropped in, but they fail and fail and fail. People really want to get onboard with the GP gun so they continue to sell.
They are maddeningly unreliable.
I cant say enough good things about the Barrett. The LWRC is also top shelf. The Robinson XCR is good but is still improving.
But the Barrett is running 2,700 bux. Not cheap.