My Private Pilot ticket is about to expire. Do I have to do a BFR to keep it current, or is there a way around it as a T-45 stud?
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- Thread starter C420sailor
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Your private pilot certificate NEVER expires. In order to exercise the privileges of your certificate, you do have to have a BFR every two years, UNLESS you have. . .well, I'll let the FAR speak for itself.
61.56 subsection (d)
A person who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege, need not accomplish the flight review required by this section
So, if you can find a check airman willing to sign you off for your BFR, you should be alright, unless you have a certificate/rating from the Navy (not sure how that works).
61.56 subsection (d)
A person who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege, need not accomplish the flight review required by this section
So, if you can find a check airman willing to sign you off for your BFR, you should be alright, unless you have a certificate/rating from the Navy (not sure how that works).
Interesting. I'm not yet winged, but I did get my cloud card a few months ago. I'm not sure if that counts as a NATOPS check. I wonder if that'll suffice?
If in doubt, you can always check with the local FSDO, if you can find someone to answer the phone. If you do, you'll probably find someone who can answer a few questions better than I could. . .then again, I'm sure there are people here more knowledgeable about the military side of the house.
Only thing that will get you is the civ IFR rating. Gotta have a current NATOPS qual to bypass the civ BFR. BFR's are totally painless, its not a check ride but more of a sanity check, you already have your license and its a CFI that signs the logbook stamp, not an examiner. All my civ BFR's were all of .5-.8 hours or so.
Rog. I haven't flown a Cessna in well over a year and I've forgotten just about everything specific to general aviation. This should be interesting.
This doc from AOPA is probably more than you want to know, but sort of lays out the BFR in detail: http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/sa03.pdf
The flight portion of the BFR is supposed to be an hour of dual instruction. I try to make it a learning experience when I give it. During the oral I'll cover things like air space, weight and balance, EP's, flight planning. Much of it is stuff that pilots don't think about (but should) so it's a refresher. The flight portion I'll have them do stalls, slow flight, steep turns, EP's, things along those lines because most pilots probably haven't done them since their last BFR. For landings we'll review short/soft field t.o.'s and landings. You can't fail a BFR, if you're not up to snuff it's just logged as dual instruction, there's no notation that the BFR was failed.
The flight portion of the BFR is supposed to be an hour of dual instruction. I try to make it a learning experience when I give it. During the oral I'll cover things like air space, weight and balance, EP's, flight planning. Much of it is stuff that pilots don't think about (but should) so it's a refresher. The flight portion I'll have them do stalls, slow flight, steep turns, EP's, things along those lines because most pilots probably haven't done them since their last BFR. For landings we'll review short/soft field t.o.'s and landings. You can't fail a BFR, if you're not up to snuff it's just logged as dual instruction, there's no notation that the BFR was failed.
ryan1234
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If you picked up a civilian pilot certificate and/or rating of some kind (i.e. Instrument, etc) that will suffice as a BFR. So say you went to the FSDO and got an Instrument rating added onto your Private - your new temp/hard copy would have an new issuance date, which would be the starting date for the next BFR.
The only thing that wouldn't count as a BFR is an instructor certificate (unless the examiner/instructor agreed to do the BFR during the practical test)
ryan1234
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It does... any civ rating suffices for a BFR - except civ instructor certificate
Instrument rating = BFR
Level Idle Flare.
A 1.0 with a CFI in a 165hp fixed gear, fixed prop plane ain't sounding half bad these days. Kinda like a day off.
I'm going to forget and bend the shit out of the gear, guaranteed.
Flying a Cessna is like riding a bike. One takeoff, 3 landings and a stall, and you're good! I guarantee.
First time flying a Piper after helo advanced, unconsciously tried to pull the airplane into a hover on final. Needless to say, glad the CFI doing the review was on his game that day.