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Flight Pay for IFS?
- Thread starter RHPF
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It is really only about MILITARY flying. If the flying is in no way earning you wings of gold or you executing a mission by flying in a military capacity, you don't earn flight pay.
Yes you can attrite from IFS, but my point above still applies. You aren't graded in IFS. It is basically pass/fail. A check in the box.
you aren't going to get it. so stop worrying about it. it's hard enough to get psd to give you something when you truly deserve/merit/rate it.
i would encourage you to instead try and get reimbursed for having to drive out to IFS, as previously mentioned, with gas as expensive as it is right now...
instead of looking up obscure codes, memorize an EP. or have a beer. or both. your choice.
i would encourage you to instead try and get reimbursed for having to drive out to IFS, as previously mentioned, with gas as expensive as it is right now...
instead of looking up obscure codes, memorize an EP. or have a beer. or both. your choice.
Back to HDIP...that struck me as a little out there when it was brought up as something you guys want for IFS - but I must assume you guys (Navy) have a different definition of it than we do (Army). For us, if you arent about to take a bullet through your aircraft, you are not getting Hazerdous Duty/Imminent Danger pay. ID pay is for places like Kuwait, HD pay is for places like Iraqistan.
OVER THE LINE
They are alotted 50 days to complete IFS. My neighbor seems to be on a 40-45 day pace.
Read 3710.7/para 11.2 for a better understanding of ACIP. There is a finite number of "flight skins" in the Navy and to give one to a student in an API billet you would have to take it from somewhere else. Good on everybody who attempted to read and understand some of the instructions, but there is more to it than you know.
You are being paid for it - you are getting ensign pay, right? Then again, if you feel you aren't being paid enough to do nothing but get free flight time in a Cessna, then I suppose you could DOR and get your wanking self sent to a boat. I think that would really teach the Navy a lesson about screwing over flight students.
You are being paid for it - you are getting ensign pay, right? Then again, if you feel you aren't being paid enough to do nothing but get free flight time in a Cessna, then I suppose you could DOR and get your wanking self sent to a boat. I think that would really teach the Navy a lesson about screwing over flight students.
They could become draconian about the A-Pool and have you all come in every day, uniform inspections every day, sit in a room for 8 hours, read navy regulation manuals and then go home...no more good deals.
The A-Pool is Navy O-1 pay with no work...and you guys are bitching over the cost of a couple tanks of gas during IFS???
It could be a lot worse...
The A-Pool is Navy O-1 pay with no work...and you guys are bitching over the cost of a couple tanks of gas during IFS???
It could be a lot worse...
There are Rules....
When I was in Pcola in A-Pool, they were rushing studs through IFS. They were flying 4 hours a day (2 actual flying, 2 hours in the backseat). I also reported at the beginning of June, when A-Pool only had a handful of SNFOs, so there was no one in IFS. I guess they sped up the process to complete guys in preparation for the wave of check-ins as the summer rolled along.
Yes, but what exactly is proficiency flying?
U.S.C Title 37 said:
RHPF-
Personally, I'd say good on ya for challenging the status quo and pursuing a change that benefits you and your fellow SNA buddies. Your motivation to pursue such an issue, and the fact that you have enough sense to at least reference some applicable instructions will serve you well as a Naval Officer. If aviation will teach you anything about those who don't have to stake their lives on knowledge of instructions, its that most people are lazy and willing to rely on their general impression and past experience with an issue rather than reference actual instructions (or the law, in this case) in order to provide a correct answer. For the most part, I've seen that habit employed by career GS's who don't like to acknowledge that policy changes significantly with an instruction revision, but apparently this is also employed by dumbass Ensigns on AW who pretend to actually know WTF they are talking about.
P.S. - Bert and Schnugg's observations about blowback are obviously very valid - some will view this as looking a gift horse in the mouth. A properly researched and formatted petition, whether it gets approved or not, should be received well by any senior officer worth his salt (see AWG saga) - but be warned, it certainly won't make up for any failing in performance that this type of distraction might induce while in the TRACOM.
If you're living on a "tight budget" as a newly commissioned Ens/2ndLt, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. Hell, even with student loans, a car note, and a commissioning loan, I had plenty of money to throw around as a boot.
Like Schnugg said, you're getting paid to essentially do nothing. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Just to clarify, I could not agree more about being thankful for the free flight time in IFS. If you take it seriously it will help in primary, and it is helping me. When I was there I did not care about flight pay because I thought it was enjoyable and its what I have wanted to do my entire life I guess my issue would be better suited with the thread on travel. To attend IFS in Bay Minette its 120 miles round trip from the NAS back gate. When I went there gas was cheaper. If I had to go now fuel would make things a little tight.
I also understand that longterm solutions are not always better or easier than the status quo; however, when you are having to travel outside of your duty station on a regular basis and receiving no compensation, telling Ensigns to shut up and deal is probably not the best solution. Its one thing to choose to go that far for IFS, but it is another thing to be forced without the appropriate entitlements or means of transportation.
It puts the Navy and students in a tough spot when the school putting out the most students is 60+ miles away. However, I would recommend Bay Minette to any student who has a choice simply because of the quality of training I received there. Flying was always very consistent and I was out in 3.5 weeks. Weather permitting students fly about 6 days a week. Just be prepared to eat the travel expenses.
Finally, nothing pisses me off more than the helpless ENS/2ndlt that holds his handout and expects the world on a silver platter. So many new officers want to talk about getting screwed on pay and other things without ever being familiar with the regs and instructions that govern those issues. So for those who inquire about flight pay and travel claims and any other instruction that has a direct impact on you or your people I applaude you, but if you are one who just likes to whine and complain without ever giving one piece of factual info or a valid solution you are probably better suited for a billet that has someone else looking out for your career and well being.
I also understand that longterm solutions are not always better or easier than the status quo; however, when you are having to travel outside of your duty station on a regular basis and receiving no compensation, telling Ensigns to shut up and deal is probably not the best solution. Its one thing to choose to go that far for IFS, but it is another thing to be forced without the appropriate entitlements or means of transportation.
It puts the Navy and students in a tough spot when the school putting out the most students is 60+ miles away. However, I would recommend Bay Minette to any student who has a choice simply because of the quality of training I received there. Flying was always very consistent and I was out in 3.5 weeks. Weather permitting students fly about 6 days a week. Just be prepared to eat the travel expenses.
Finally, nothing pisses me off more than the helpless ENS/2ndlt that holds his handout and expects the world on a silver platter. So many new officers want to talk about getting screwed on pay and other things without ever being familiar with the regs and instructions that govern those issues. So for those who inquire about flight pay and travel claims and any other instruction that has a direct impact on you or your people I applaude you, but if you are one who just likes to whine and complain without ever giving one piece of factual info or a valid solution you are probably better suited for a billet that has someone else looking out for your career and well being.
Bert -
Could you expand on this? I brushed up against this while hanging around the squadron as a gimp, soaking up an operational billet. Quick scan of 3710 doesn't list 1390s in Code 1 and Code 2, though.
I'm not a PERS guy, so I don't know the ins-and-outs, but I'm interested in gaining a little more knowledge now that its been brought up.
Too long and and too much pain to explain it all in the post. (Well, too lazy might be more accurate, but who's counting?) Short version is that there are quite a few instructions applicable to flight pay, but on top of those you need to be familiar with NPC procedures and coding of billets and manpower stuff and......
You guys won't get flight pay. Have a beer. Shut your holes and enjoy being stash ensigns. And all that good stuff.