-
Please take a moment and update your account profile. If you have an updated account profile with basic information on why you are on Air Warriors it will help other people respond to your posts. How do you update your profile you ask?
Go here:
Edit Account Details and Profile
F-18 vs. F-16, for real.
- Thread starter thumper
- Start date
- Status
contrail_dash
Registered User
Back in the 60's, Honduras and El Salvador flew Corsairs against one another...the little known "Soccer War". I'm totally serious here.
"For Real"??
1. 22/May/1948: RAF Spitfires of 208 Squadron; claimed 2 Egyptian Air Force Spitfires near Ramat David.
2. 22/May/1948: RAF Spitfires of 208 Squadron; claimed 2 Egyptian Spitfires (different engagement)
3. 28/Dec/1948: IAF Spitfires of 101 Squadron; claimed 1 Egyptian Spitfire while flying Spitfire
4. 07/Jan/1949 : IAF Spitfires of 101 Squadron; claimed 2 RAF Spitfires while flying Spitfire
In the mid afternoon on the 7th of January 1949 (ceasefire had to be declared on this day by 2pm,the last day of the fighting) a flight of 19 R.A.F planes from the Fayid Air Base took off in search of 4 Spitfires Mk.PR18 from squadron 208 that were on a reconnaissance patrol over Al Auja-Rafa Road. Earlier, in the morning, 3 of the Spitfires were shot down by 2 Israeli Spitfires Mk.9 and the other was shot down by Anti-Aircraft fire. By the time the R.A.F planes appeared over the patrol area, 4 Israeli Spitfires (piloted by Ezer Weitzman, Sandy Jacobs, Casaer Dangot and Bill Shroeder) were in the area and a dog-fight developed between the two sides. One British plane, a Tempest MkVI, was shot down, and other 3 R.A.F planes suffered minimal damages. From the Israeli side only one plane was slightly damaged in the tail alerones.
The above painting is an illustration of the encounter between Spitfire Mk9 (nr 2013/18 from Squadron 101,piloted by Ezer Weitzman) and a R.A.F Tempest MkVI (nr NX134/T*JV from Squadron 6, piloted by Douglas Liquorish) the Tempest was hit in the tail and the root of the left wing but Liquorish made a successful emergency landing at the Fayid Air Base. the ceasefire was officialy declared 20mins after this encounter.
1. 22/May/1948: RAF Spitfires of 208 Squadron; claimed 2 Egyptian Air Force Spitfires near Ramat David.
2. 22/May/1948: RAF Spitfires of 208 Squadron; claimed 2 Egyptian Spitfires (different engagement)
3. 28/Dec/1948: IAF Spitfires of 101 Squadron; claimed 1 Egyptian Spitfire while flying Spitfire
4. 07/Jan/1949 : IAF Spitfires of 101 Squadron; claimed 2 RAF Spitfires while flying Spitfire
In the mid afternoon on the 7th of January 1949 (ceasefire had to be declared on this day by 2pm,the last day of the fighting) a flight of 19 R.A.F planes from the Fayid Air Base took off in search of 4 Spitfires Mk.PR18 from squadron 208 that were on a reconnaissance patrol over Al Auja-Rafa Road. Earlier, in the morning, 3 of the Spitfires were shot down by 2 Israeli Spitfires Mk.9 and the other was shot down by Anti-Aircraft fire. By the time the R.A.F planes appeared over the patrol area, 4 Israeli Spitfires (piloted by Ezer Weitzman, Sandy Jacobs, Casaer Dangot and Bill Shroeder) were in the area and a dog-fight developed between the two sides. One British plane, a Tempest MkVI, was shot down, and other 3 R.A.F planes suffered minimal damages. From the Israeli side only one plane was slightly damaged in the tail alerones.
contrail_dash
Registered User
The RAF was really caught in the middle of both sides on that one eh?? LOL
I have a magazine with a painting of the two corsairs...gotta go find it.
I have a magazine with a painting of the two corsairs...gotta go find it.
LAST DANCE: The 100-hour "SOCCER WAR" July, 1969
During the late 1940's and 1950's, certain Central and South American countries like Honduras, El Salvador, and Argentina showed great interest in acquiring some of the surplus aircraft that were fresh out of active U.S. military service. In the interest of promoting Democracy in these areas of the world, the U.S. government created the Military Aid Sales [MAS] program to provide these countries with some of the obsolete U.S. warplanes and materials it had in storage.
Honduras in particular had a great interest in purchasing the radial engined Corsair to replace it's aging fleet of P-38 Lightnings and P-63 Kingcobras. These previous aircraft had proven to be temperamental and unreliable due to the complexity of their inline engines. The Corsair and its engine were known for their reliability, and the U.S. Navy at the time was putting fresh examples into its surplus storage yards. The choice was clear, and the Honduran Air Force (Fuerza Area Hondurena) made a deal through the MAS program that saw ten F4U-5, -5N, and -5NL model Corsairs delivered to their base of operations at Tegucigalpa, Honduras during March of 1956.
The last combat use of the Corsair type aircraft was in July, 1969 during the 100-hour Soccer War between El Salvador and Honduras. The FAH (Honduras Air Force) flew F4U-4, -5, -5N and -5NL Corsairs. The FAS (El Salvador Air Force) flew FG1-D Corsairs (F4U-1D built by Goodyear Aircraft). El Salvador also flew various re-militarized P-51Ds.
On July 17, 1969 Capt. Fernando Soto (FAH) and his wingman were bounced by two FAS P-51Ds. The wingman was shot down, but Soto shot down Capt. Humberto Varla (FAS). Soto shot down 2 other FAS corsairs for a total of three aircraft.
(Interestingly, both sides reported themselves as being attacked).
The "Soccer War" lasted little more than one week, after which the Honduran Corsairs were eventually phased out and replaced by the more modern F-86 Sabre jet fighter during the early 1970's.
One of the former Honduran Corsairs, Chance-Vought F4U-5N BuNo.124724, restored to her VC-3 colors representing her time in that squadron aboard the USS Valley Forge and USS Boxer during the Korean War.
The picture here shows two Hasegawa 1/48 scale models depicting the F4U's of Honduras (left) and El Salvador (right) that were involved in the air-to-air encounter with the Honduran Capt. Soto -- described as a "piloto vetrano" being the victor. These two models are representative of the only "real" (there's that "REAL" word again) Corsair vs Corsair aerial dogfight in history.
During the late 1940's and 1950's, certain Central and South American countries like Honduras, El Salvador, and Argentina showed great interest in acquiring some of the surplus aircraft that were fresh out of active U.S. military service. In the interest of promoting Democracy in these areas of the world, the U.S. government created the Military Aid Sales [MAS] program to provide these countries with some of the obsolete U.S. warplanes and materials it had in storage.
Honduras in particular had a great interest in purchasing the radial engined Corsair to replace it's aging fleet of P-38 Lightnings and P-63 Kingcobras. These previous aircraft had proven to be temperamental and unreliable due to the complexity of their inline engines. The Corsair and its engine were known for their reliability, and the U.S. Navy at the time was putting fresh examples into its surplus storage yards. The choice was clear, and the Honduran Air Force (Fuerza Area Hondurena) made a deal through the MAS program that saw ten F4U-5, -5N, and -5NL model Corsairs delivered to their base of operations at Tegucigalpa, Honduras during March of 1956.
The last combat use of the Corsair type aircraft was in July, 1969 during the 100-hour Soccer War between El Salvador and Honduras. The FAH (Honduras Air Force) flew F4U-4, -5, -5N and -5NL Corsairs. The FAS (El Salvador Air Force) flew FG1-D Corsairs (F4U-1D built by Goodyear Aircraft). El Salvador also flew various re-militarized P-51Ds.
On July 17, 1969 Capt. Fernando Soto (FAH) and his wingman were bounced by two FAS P-51Ds. The wingman was shot down, but Soto shot down Capt. Humberto Varla (FAS). Soto shot down 2 other FAS corsairs for a total of three aircraft.
(Interestingly, both sides reported themselves as being attacked).
The "Soccer War" lasted little more than one week, after which the Honduran Corsairs were eventually phased out and replaced by the more modern F-86 Sabre jet fighter during the early 1970's.
One of the former Honduran Corsairs, Chance-Vought F4U-5N BuNo.124724, restored to her VC-3 colors representing her time in that squadron aboard the USS Valley Forge and USS Boxer during the Korean War.
The picture here shows two Hasegawa 1/48 scale models depicting the F4U's of Honduras (left) and El Salvador (right) that were involved in the air-to-air encounter with the Honduran Capt. Soto -- described as a "piloto vetrano" being the victor. These two models are representative of the only "real" (there's that "REAL" word again) Corsair vs Corsair aerial dogfight in history.
Check out Tom Cooper's work on ACIG.org
The databases are pretty solid and list all sorts of air combat including Ethiopian Su-27s vs Eritrean MiG-29s*in one case pilot (female) shot down her former instructor supposedly after giving him option to surrender.
http://www.geocities.com/~dagmawi/NewsMay2000/Airforce_SU27_Mig29.html
The databases are pretty solid and list all sorts of air combat including Ethiopian Su-27s vs Eritrean MiG-29s*in one case pilot (female) shot down her former instructor supposedly after giving him option to surrender.
http://www.geocities.com/~dagmawi/NewsMay2000/Airforce_SU27_Mig29.html
HJ32 said:
good website and link, ...... but: no, NO, NO, NO, NO !!! JOE !!!
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE !!! Mentioned STUDENTS shooting down INSTRUCTORS !?!?!
MY GOD !! Where does it all stop !!! Intructors killing students --- is ONE thing --- it is understood and accepted. Sometimes, even desired; as in a "cleansing" process, but .... but ... but ... I cannot even bring myself to say it again --- I am speechless !!!
THE HORROR ... THE INHUMANITY !! .... THE HORRRROR !!!
- Status