So, this would now be defined as a civil war, right? Because it is looking a lot like a civil war to me.
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Europe under extreme duress
- Thread starter Randy Daytona
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I think it's more of a coup. Not sure there's a lot of public support either way right now.
Rival factions on the fringes are fighting for control while the huge majority across the middle doesn’t care much?
Doesn’t sound healthy.
Let’s see what Wagner has to sustain this advance beyond ”wooo! Road trip!”
I'm pretty sure we know the hour by hour location of everyone in their NCA who has release authority/capability - and we have the ability to target them personally, and nearly instantly ("like the snows of yesteryear, gone from this earth.") That should be be sufficient deterrent for people to behave themselves even in the most dire of political crises.
Random8145
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Nuclear missiles require constant maintenance so if they've been maintained as badly as the Russian military, many or most of them may not even be in working condition.
I do wonder why Putin gave Prigozhin so much power, I mean this is like Dictatorship 101 here. For similar reasons I've thought Xi's becoming dictator in China will weaken the Chinese military as for his own security he will need to have generals in power based on loyalty more than merit.
I do wonder why Putin gave Prigozhin so much power, I mean this is like Dictatorship 101 here. For similar reasons I've thought Xi's becoming dictator in China will weaken the Chinese military as for his own security he will need to have generals in power based on loyalty more than merit.
Random8145
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Anne Applebaum wrote in her article in The Atlantic today ("Russia Slides Into Civil War") that open-source intelligence blogger Christo Grozef has been arguing for months that Wagner was preparing a coup. If he was right and this isn't just a spontaneous act on Prigozhin's part, then the Wagner group likely does have a plan on what to do. It also would mean a massive intelligence fail on the part of the Russian intelligence services if the evidence was there and they missed it. But Putin has so isolated himself for years that the intelligence services also may have known but been afraid to say anything.
EDIT: Well looks like it's over coup-wise, Prigozhin apparently backing down, saying he achieved his goal. Politically, I don't know how Putin survives this though.
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That seems like extremely wishful thinking to me.
Our government had no idea A1C Texeira was leaking TS to a gamer chat server for four months.
It has no idea how many retired FOGOs are getting paid a lot of money to advise foreign entities.
It pays $12000 for those AH-64 valves and no idea how much more for whatever other stupid parts.
It pretty much only knows who is delinquent on their dental screening. There will probably be no clean sweep of nuclear trigger pullers.
It most certainly does NOT know that. Source: me, who is Class 1, and still had to re-forward the email with the form I sent to the NRC months ago so I could get my short-fused orders off hard hold.
It's always entertaining to re-submit a form by just scrolling down and forwarding the email you'd sent months ago TO THE SAME DAMN PERSON.
Right now the correct term is internecine war.
As a TAR, I forgot about the other reservists because that’s what we do.