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Do UNSATS/IPC get factored into selection?

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fryer35

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Hey y’all,

I’m currently in Primary and selecting in about a month. I recently received an RRU on a sim, which triggered an IPC. Long story short, I was told it's not a huge deal academically since it's only a single sim and not weighted a whole lot.

My question is about selection boards and dream sheets:
When it comes time to select, do they look at your number UNSATs/IPCs in addition to NSS , or is NSS the only driver and your UNSAT record is irrelevant?

My goal is jets, and I’m absolutely not throwing in the towel but just trying to understand how the system actually works. For context, I’ve heard of someone who failed a checkride (IPC trigger) and still went on to select strike.

Appreciate any insight. Thanks.
 
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RRU will be averaged out with the grade you received when you passed the sim. Your GPA (NSS) is what selection is based on. Bottom line is that your selection is driven by needs of the Navy (platform availability). Your on-wing or PA can help you with most of these questions and concerns.

Study hard, practice, keep on learning, and do your best. Always keep a positive mental attitude.

Side story: I got a ready room down (Signal of Difficulty [SOD]/Pink Sheet) while going through the Prowler FRS. We were on det to El Centro (2x flights a day), and I was unprepared for the system discussion with the IP (BTW I nailed the brief, EPs, etc). I beat myself up pretty good, studied my ass off and passed the re-fly with flying colors. What did I learn? Always be prepared for everything and learn from your mistakes/shortcomings.

Learn from it, fix your mistakes, and move on.
 
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The 1700 (I'm pretty sure this is the document number) tells you exactly how your NSS is calculated andthe triggers for an IPC. IIRC, the grading section was only about a 5 minute read and included the exact formula used to calculate NSS. I wouldn't put any more brain power towards NSS than that. Focus on studying hard during the week, decompressing on the weekend, and getting back in the books on Sunday. Everything else is out of your control. I know plenty of people who RRU'd an event who still went on to select strike. Focus your energy on studying for your IPC and your next event after that.
 
ea6bflyr said:
RRU will be averaged out with the grade you received when you passed the sim. Your GPA (NSS) is what selection is based on. Bottom line is that your selection is driven by needs of the Navy (platform availability). Your on-wing or PA can help you with most of these questions and concerns.

Study hard, practice, keep on learning, and do your best. Always keep a positive mental attitude.

Side story: I got a ready room down (Signal of Difficulty [SOD]/Pink Sheet) while going through the Prowler FRS. We were on det to El Centro (2x flights a day), and I was unprepared for the system discussion with the IP (BTW I nailed the brief, EPs, etc). I beat myself up pretty good, studied my ass off and passed the re-fly with flying colors. What did I learn? Always be prepared for everything and learn from your mistakes/shortcomings.

Learn from it, fix your mistakes, and move on.
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Awesome Thank you!
 
Needs of the Navy will be priority. The "Dream sheet" is very much just an illusion of choice. Your selection week, they may take two people per squadron for jets, next week everyone goes Helo's. You never know. Don't worry too much about grades. Put what you want, finish out the syllabus strong and learn to love what the Navy eventually gives you. I promise you'll end up happy regardless of what you get
 
Not as much as you'd think. I'm sure the weighting of grades has changed since I was an SNA, but I'm sure it's still the case that nothing in isolation is a make-or-break. I had a rough pre-solo T-6 Contacts syllabus but no unsats throughout Primary. My best friend had a better overall start to Primary but unsat'd his Formation checkride. He had an overall higher NSS than me at selection and was jet-eligible (we both still ended up in Ospreys due to needs of the Marine Corps).
 
fryer35 said:
Hey y’all,

I’m currently in Primary and selecting in about a month. I recently received an RRU on a sim, which triggered an IPC. Long story short, I was told it's not a huge deal academically since it's only a single sim and not weighted a whole lot.

My question is about selection boards and dream sheets:
When it comes time to select, do they look at your number UNSATs/IPCs in addition to NSS , or is NSS the only driver and your UNSAT record is irrelevant?

My goal is jets, and I’m absolutely not throwing in the towel but just trying to understand how the system actually works. For context, I’ve heard of someone who failed a checkride (IPC trigger) and still went on to select strike.

Appreciate any insight. Thanks.
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My last onwing RRU’d a contact flight, He finished TOPGUN a while back so the short answer is no. The RRU was the trigger for him to unfuck his studying/preparations for flight events, He also got debilitating airsickness early on too so the dude overcame a bunch of his own limitations to become successful. It can be done,
 
Back in the day there was a photo of Randy Cunningham and Willie Driscoll mounted over the door of the skipper's office in VT-7. It was inscribed "To VT-7, where I got my only down" and signed by Duke.

Relax.
 
fryer35 said:
Hey y’all,

I’m currently in Primary and selecting in about a month. I recently received an RRU on a sim, which triggered an IPC. Long story short, I was told it's not a huge deal academically since it's only a single sim and not weighted a whole lot.

My question is about selection boards and dream sheets:
When it comes time to select, do they look at your number UNSATs/IPCs in addition to NSS , or is NSS the only driver and your UNSAT record is irrelevant?

My goal is jets, and I’m absolutely not throwing in the towel but just trying to understand how the system actually works. For context, I’ve heard of someone who failed a checkride (IPC trigger) and still went on to select strike.

Appreciate any insight. Thanks.
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If you're curious about the math behind the NSS calculation, it's in CNATRAINST 1500.4L which can be found on your ipad. I wouldn't recommend going down that rabbit hole if your math skills aren't strong. Long story short I believe it would only affect your NSS one or two points
 
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