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Dealing with anti-Military types

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jaerose

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Thanks. I played baseball at DPU frosh year, but I had a frequency injury to my throwing elbow because our coach at the time had us do too many throwing drills from the outfield...we're talking 50 hard throws per drill...daily! Ouch...I couldn't throw the ball with any zip after the first 5 games of regular season...which sucked 'cause I was starting as a freshman. What position did you play?

Where are you from/at now? Do you go, or have you been to OCS? Speaking of weapons of opportunity...as a baseballer...how about the shin high spikes going into second to break up a double play?
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"When you guys get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a p*$$y." -Commanding General, 1st Marine Division, Iraq (2003)
 

Jeremy

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Difference of opinion is what makes this country great, always will. People will never think exactly alike or can be on the same side all of the time. I would say to you that intelligence is the best way to deal with any situation. My (now ex) girlfriend was over in Iraq with 1st MarDiv while I was here (she re-enlisted while I got out). I felt left out of the war...like I missed an experience and more so, missed protecting her and sharing something that I can never share with her (whether good or bad). When the protesting started here, I was so angry I couldn't speak at times. I was more dissappointed in Americans than I had ever been before. In chicago, we had thousands block the streets and then people like me who threw their cammies on (yeah I know they are not authorized out in town) then went down waiting to break somebodies neck (the cops stopped me thank god). I didn't know how to deal with it. "My friends are over risking their lives and you are going to protest while the war is going?" That's what was running through my head. Well hindsite is always 20/20 and I figured later on that rather than add to the problem I would just help gain support for the cause. I painted HUGE signs that we hung on Lake Shore Drive that said support our troops (the cops would take them down pretty fast though) and drove around my Jeep Grand Cherokee with white shoe-polish on the windows that said "Support our Troops, USMC" and "9-11...Go Marines USMC." You have no idea how many horn beeps and waves I would get which showed me that the majority of the population actually was not against the military or the war. The people that were protesting and talking poorly about the military were the uneducated youth (think about when we were 17) and the "professional protestors." The PP's are the people that would protest about too many steroids in our chickens that are being slaughtered for the grocery store...blah blah...
Anyhow, I hope you see my point. Intelligence and fighting back with generating your own support feels great and you don't have to break somebody's nose to do it (although I'm sure that felt good).

Have a Navy Day,
Semper Fi,

-J
 

0ctopus

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I think a lot of anti-war people give the left a bad rap. I'm left-leaning and I wasn't 100% for war with Iraq, but that doesn't mean I can't be a good Navy officer. The fact is the military is a great career for anyone who loves the community. Their beef is with the politicians, not us. What pisses me off is the whole 'women can't do military' attitude that some civilians and even some servicemen have. If anyone's getting head-butted it's the prick that starts saying stuff like that.

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jaerose

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Becky,

There are both kinds...the anti-politicians and the anti-military. I think we're all talking about the anti-military types here. I know because I've went to two small private liberal arts colleges and I've had discussions with and listened to people who made it perfectly clear that it's not politicians they dislike, it's people like you and me who join the military that they dislike.

Usually, their problem is that they're so busy arguing for rights and open-mindedness that they forget to open their own mind to the fact that not all military personnel are 'murderers,' 'baby-killers,' and violent. They want to get rid of stereotyping, yet they are guilty of the exact same offense. Anyways, I'm just rambling now...and I definitely agree with you on the head-butting of macho misogynistic pricks =) Good luck in OCS...you're off soon!!!

JR
 

esday1

He'll dazzle you with terms like "Code Red."
It seems to me like you tend to hear the most extreme and illogical views (on both ends of the political spectrum) from people who surround themselves with people of similar views (who therefore will echo whatever opinions they have in discussions), only listen to or read stuff they agree with, and think of people with different views as stereotypes, rather than actually listening to them. This is true of some (but not all) anti-war protestors and a few (but not all) people who stage pro-war counter-protests. Usually arguments between two people with opposite views but this same general characteristic in their way of thinking will degenerate into unproductive shouting matches.

The thing to remember in talking to anti-war protestors is that it's generally not helpful to be that type of person. It might feel really satisfying to yell something accusatory at someone with different views (that's often why anti-war people look for people who are in or are joining the military to shout at), but in the end it doesn't get you or the other person anywhere. So, when you talk to these people, just think about what you want to accomplish. You're not getting anywhere by getting into a shouting contest, so if it looks like that's going to happen, it's probably best to just take the high road, ignore them and walk away. On the other hand, if you actually want to possibly change their mind or get them to think more open-mindedly about the military (if they happen to be, say, your parents), you're going to have to have a lot of patience and maybe even listen to what they have to say, however ridiculous it may be or sound, since they're a lot more likely to listen to you if you do that. It also doesn't hurt if their opinions are based on a stereotype and you wind up completely blowing that stereotype away.
 

jaerose

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I agree with you esday. Also, if you research and educate yourself about the issues and get some facts behind your argument you might even win a few people over.

JR
 

PeacoatMan

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It's good to know others have been dealing with the same bull $hit I've put up with the last few months.

One of my roommates writes off anyone in the military as an idiot -- but he goes further. He actually hoped that a few thousand American soldiers would be blown away early on in the war with Iraq, so that Bush would be pressured to end the war. He also argued that the civil liberties of those in the military are violated, and that the military's policy -- with regards to civil liberties -- needs to be revamped.

I didn't lay a hand on the SOB until he said he could kick my ass. Well, folks, that is something we don't have to argue -- we can prove it!

I advocate the level head when it comes to arguing about this stuff, no matter how ludicrous. But if the person arguing with you says they can kick your ass, then tell them to PROVE IT! A lot of these people could use a reality check.
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jaerose

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Joey,

Why did you room with that guy? I'm guessing that it's not your choice. Did you point out that the military types are there on a volunteer basis and they know that they will have to obey orders before hand? I'm sure you did...and I'm glad you got to at least prove him wrong on that last point...probably deserved it! As for military personnel being idiots, I'm sure a look at the credentials of the many fine people on this forum would shut his mouth =) If he doesn't believe that...tell him I'll put my IQ up against his any day of the week...and twice on Sunday (mostly because I'm well rested on Sunday)!!!

JR
 

hukleberry

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jaerose

I know what you mean with the hard long toss. I was a pitcher at AU. We had a grueling long toss and arm strengthening program. It always hurt in the beginning. I never had to worry about getting spiked, but I did get a few chances to throw at some guys (and be thrown at). You gotta love the politics.
I went to OCS in sunny Quantico, VA summer 2001. Since then, I returned to Anderson and finished my degree. Through a strange (and frustrating) turn of events I ended up getting PRK in April and am anxiously awaiting commissioning in September and TBS ASAP. What OSO are you working out of? Enjoy OCS. It is definately the best of times and the worst of times. I wish I could go back and do it all agian, you always wish you could get more.

Semper Fi
 
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