*sigh* .... I just wanna' bomb gomers ...
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Me! Me!
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Conscientious objector pilot?
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*Jumps up and down repeatedly with hand raised*
Me! Me!
Hmmmm....
please guys dont send any CO to the law enforcement side. Knew a rookie that just wanted to do wrist locks and arm bars to everyone that resisted. Once he found that that wouldnt work after he lost a couple of teeth at a bar fight, he up and quit. Violence is a day to day thing here. Go EMS or fire dept...they fly too and more often it seems.
Seemingly you can't even handle some easy banter on the net. Religious man who likes to use the term Goddamn? Interesting.
The story of Sergeant Alvin York is a bit more complex and hardly applies here. He was a heavy drinker and saloon brawler until a friend was killed in a bar fight. He then abided by his mother's wishes and practiced a Pacifist form of Christianity.
When conscripted, he applied for CO status, but it was initially disapproved and he went into the Army during the Great War (later called World War I). SO he was NOT given CO status when he joined the service. Later, when CO papers came through approving his request, he turned it down. So when it was offered, he disclaimed his desire to seek CO status.
During a critical part the Meuse-Argonne Offensive, as a corporal, he was part of 17 man patrol sent to infiltrate German lines to relieve pressure on his unit, which was pinned down by well conecealed machine positions on an overlooking ridgeline. They met with intial success outflanking the strong German position and surprising them from behind and taking a great number of prisoners. However, the deadly machine guns on the ridge saw what was happening and opened fire leaving Corporal York in command after the three non-commissioned officers were all hit by enemy fire. York put the seven surviving members of his patrol in charge of guarding the prisoners as he worked his way along the ridge and began sharp shooting the Germans manning the 30+ machine guns.
For his actions that day, he was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross(DSC), which was later upgraded to the Medal of Honor. He also received the Croix de Guerre and Legion of Honor from France as well as the Croce di Guerra from Italy and Montenegro awarded him the War Medal.
He was certainly a man of conviction, but alos a man of action with a trobled and rocky road to practicing a religion of Pacifiscm and never actually a Conscientious Objector in the government's eyes.
And really...if you take the Lord's name in vain in the midst of a heated debate, that's not so great, but it happens. But you actually typed it out and hit submit. Religious FAIL.
AW doesn't typically do chances or percentages, period. There is no way to predict your chances or anyone eles's, but in this case, have zero probability to go into the Navy and be assigned to SAR or "ambulance" duties. In fact, you'd have a hard time getting into the Navy professing to be a CO because of a pretty big hurdle and that is your oath you take to enter the service:
The only optional part of that oath is the last sentence. You think you can take that oath while truly understanding what it entails??? I have served alongside several aviators who didn't quite understand what it meant and when bullets started flying, they turned in their wings.
I can respect someone who stands up for what they believe, but not someone who says 'I didn't sign up for this!" believing they could fly and never have to shoot or be shot at yet let down their country and, more importantly, their peers when they are needed as part of the team. Even worse is using their service to get what they want only when it suits them knowing full-well they will exit, stage left when the very essence of the serving in the military comes into play.
OK. That's it.
We're bring back A.O.C.S. with less than socially acceptable DI's to sort out the halves from the wholes.
Mark G., I respectfully recommend the above. The dollar is losing value anyway- budgets and fiscal planning be damned. It's as good a time as any for the return to the AOCS philosophy.
We're bring back A.O.C.S. with less than socially acceptable DI's to sort out the halves from the wholes.
Mark G., I respectfully recommend the above. The dollar is losing value anyway- budgets and fiscal planning be damned. It's as good a time as any for the return to the AOCS philosophy.
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FWIW, there were two CO's that earned the MOH (both were medics); I'm sure there were plenty more that served greatly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_W._Bennett_(conscientious_objector)
So what is your point? If you're a CO go ahead and sign up? Seriously, is that the point of your post? FWIW is right. It's worth exactly nothing and only serves to muddy the waters here. I couldn't care less who was a CO and who wasn't and who earned what awards in whatever status; I only know that signing up and taking the oath as a CO is not right and disingenuous, period. Bottom line--If you're a CO, do not join the military. It's as simple as that.
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