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Congress looks at Helo Master Plan

lowflier03

So no $hit there I was
pilot
The Sierra has several issues one of which is the airframe cracks. (The cause of which changes depending on who you talk to.) As for 53 slots. I wouldnt get your hopes up. We just got a new pilot who came from the old HM squadron out of Corpus. He winged right before I did, and went HM. He almost made it to H2P in his squadron, and then they decomissioned and sent him through the HS RAG. He showed up here with us a few weeks ago. I dont think that gives much hope to anyone wanting to fly the 53 for the Navy. Otherwise you think they would have just sent him to another fleet squadron.
 

BigIron

Remotely piloted
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The Sierra has several issues one of which is the airframe cracks. (The cause of which changes depending on who you talk to.) As for 53 slots. I wouldnt get your hopes up. We just got a new pilot who came from the old HM squadron out of Corpus. He winged right before I did, and went HM. He almost made it to H2P in his squadron, and then they decomissioned and sent him through the HS RAG. He showed up here with us a few weeks ago. I dont think that gives much hope to anyone wanting to fly the 53 for the Navy. Otherwise you think they would have just sent him to another fleet squadron.

Sorry Lowflier, I mean to say Flying Low as the guy to refer to the 53 slots. He is an HT instructor.

The H2P guy you are referring to was a student of mine, callsign "Donger." He actually went HC (53s). He was a victim of the HC-4 shutdown, and not the HM squadrons in Corpus. I think 14 or 15 were probably full with their own JOs when the sundown plan came up.
 

Dstar

Registered User
pilot
Medium lift becomes light lift when you go to altitude or tough ambient conditions. The CH-53K will be the most capable Assault Support Aircraft flying in the world. Think about 3X7500 shp engines and what it can do and where it can fly. Big Iron is not afraid of 10K today, think about what a K can do. A S-92 is just a Blackhawk with a ramp, although a ramp is needed for the shipboard logistics mission. Go big or do not go at all. For the record, a JSF engine in its can weighs just over 9K, and will not fit in anything flying currently smaller than a KC-130. I am not sure about a C-27 but that is not going to land on a LHD,LHA(R), or a CVN. Forget the Medium lift option, it only becomes light lift at tough ambient conditions.
 

BigIron

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^^ When dealing in high DA/MSL environments, the answer is leaning towards yes. Standard rotary wing aerodynamics apply.
 

Dstar

Registered User
pilot
A CH-53K is going to be able to carry a 27K external load out to a LZ 110NM away at 3000' at 94 degrees, loiter for 30 min with the load, drop the load and then fly back to the starting point and have 20 minutes on that end. So frame that as a starting point for your definition of heavy lift and think about what you can do now with your airframe. Big Iron today does not have to do any big power computations for loads under 10K with full bags of gas (4.5-5.5 CH/MH) in the same conditions. So your payload goes down or you trade gas but you have the capability to move things, not just people. That is the difference between medium and heavy lift. Sarcasm noted and enjoyed.
 

BigIron

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....Big Iron today does not have to do any big power computations for loads under 10K with full bags of gas (4.5-5.5 CH/MH) in the same conditions.

I am not sure what you mean about this. I am not sure what your background is as your bio is empty. I will say for the general audience here that power computations are done for 2 basic reasons preflight: 1. To determine based on educated guess if the mission can be started and safely completed. 2. To determine how much juice you are going to have if you have a single/dual engine failure. So I am unsure of your usage of "big power computations."

I would power plan the same whether I had a relatively small load internally/externally vice a larger load.
 

ChunksJR

Retired.
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HM-14 and HM-15 can and have done 4's mission all along. See that it was HC-4 that went away and not 14 and 15.

There's you're answer to what the Navy will be doing about their non-problem of heavy lift futures...

If any of you HT bubbs are concerned about this stuff, drop me a line. We need more HM folks in the HTs to get the right info out.

I was passed this gouge from the 95% HM crewmen that are currently roaming the halls here in HTs and have discussed this same topic with. Sorry for not spreading the good word...figured it was decent gouge. :(
 

BigIron

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There's you're answer to what the Navy will be doing about their non-problem of heavy lift futures...



I was passed this gouge from the 95% HM crewmen that are currently roaming the halls here in HTs and have discussed this same topic with. Sorry for not spreading the good word...figured it was decent gouge. :(

No sweat here, Chunks. I know those guys. Good dudes. I don't think we've done a good job keeping the troops apprised of this kind of information and community insight. Point taken.
 

S.O.B.

Registered User
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With the sundown of HC-4, the only 53s left in the Navy are for sled dragging/anti-mine, and they're on the brink of bringing those to the H-60S.


I know their testing in Pax. Anyone have any idea how that's going or when the OAMCM capability will make it to the fleet?
 

Flash

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A CH-53K is going to be able to carry a 27K external load out to a LZ 110NM away at 3000' at 94 degrees, loiter for 30 min with the load, drop the load and then fly back to the starting point and have 20 minutes on that end. So frame that as a starting point for your definition of heavy lift and think about what you can do now with your airframe. Big Iron today does not have to do any big power computations for loads under 10K with full bags of gas (4.5-5.5 CH/MH) in the same conditions. So your payload goes down or you trade gas but you have the capability to move things, not just people. That is the difference between medium and heavy lift. Sarcasm noted and enjoyed.

That is all nice and good, but how long is it going to take for the CH-53K to get to the fleet? Not only that, are you sure it ain't going to get cancelled in the meantime? The Marines can only push so many programs at once and they are expending an awful lot of political capital on the V-22 and the VSTOL JSF.

Anyways, doesn't the CH-47 do the same thing?
 
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