Guys remind yourselves that dudes like @Best-22 are the only ones that will bring you home to your family, alive - and that they are committed to doing that. The Navy helo community has neither the culture or capability to bring you home from Indian Country / contested environment. So be nice.
I agree! They even send us over to the Navy for EW schools; I think it goes by a different name now but the EWCC course in Pensacola is excellent. That doesn't mean everyone in the Navy knows more about CV-22 capes than actual CV-22 crews though. If you read my posts I'm not exactly claiming we're the king of EW. Everything I've written is backed by actual data and personal experience, there has been a huge push the last 2-3 years to get us onto EW ranges and see what works/what doesn't. I invite anyone with SIPR/JIANT access to go find more information and please reach out to our WIC grads. I love working with the Navy, and the growler crews are always professional. It seems I've worn out my welcome here so I'll leave you all with that.FWIW, the AF has been out of the legit EA/EW game for almost 2 generations now. The Navy guys know more, have way more experience, and have everyone else beat on this one. Your Patch should know this.
Which is why claims about capabilities should always be viewed critically. I concur with his response to my post. Broadly across many communities (including in my own) there is a tendency to oversell capabilities, which is a great way to ensure that aircrew will need those services you referenced.Guys remind yourselves that dudes like @Best-22 are the only ones that will bring you home to your family, alive - and that they are committed to doing that. The Navy helo community has neither the culture or capability to bring you home from Indian Country / contested environment. So be nice.
Not if they get shot down in the process.Guys remind yourselves that dudes like @Best-22 are the only ones that will bring you home to your family, alive
Fair point, but the to their credit they will keep coming to come get you even if they themselves get shot down. That's their culture.Not if they get shot down in the process.
IF the plan is going to take 10 purple hearts, 4 Air Force Crosses, and a CMH, it's fucking terrible plan.Fair point, but the to their credit they will keep coming to come get you even if they themselves get shot down. That's their culture.
how so?
Talk less. Smile more.
Understand the difference between, "With the right amount of help, we might get lucky and get to the LZ without them knowing" and "Fuck it and fuck you, we can make it to Tehran and back without anyone's help"
Not sure where the wires got crossed, but you seem to be reading something different than I'm writing.For clarity I'm not saying the CV can fly through high end threats alone and unafraid, just that it's the most capable mobility platform to do it.
I could have phrased that better, but essentially I just said "high end" meaning a state actor vs VEO threat like iraq/Afghanistan.
Not sure where the wires got crossed, but you seem to be reading something different than I'm writing.