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CITGO no longer NEX gasoline contractor?

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
Just noticed that the gas station on base no longer sports CITGO emblems.. They were changing them to "NEX" signs.

Does this mean Hugo got the boot, and we can buy gas on base without funding commies directly again?
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
It started happening @ 6-8 months ago ... i.e., shortly after the Venezuelan dictator's UN "performance" where he referred to US President Bush as "El Diablo", or the "devil".

Valero Oil and Susser distributing have been picking up a lot of the slack, and now have over 2000 stations in Texas and over 5500 nationwide with a compensating disappearance of CITGO signs and stations. The move was in reaction to slumping sales as "boycott CITGO" campaigns started springing up across the US. Initial reports indicated it was a "name change" only .... but that is NOT the case. CITGO gasoline outlets have taken a big hit in the past several months. The only sad thing is that it hasn't been front & center in the news media, at least sometime over the past months ....

CITGO was holly owned by Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA) since @ 1990, and as some of you know, Chavez was elected in 1998 after CITGO had already established a large presence in the USA, and at NEX gas stations. The NEX deal was a scam from the get-go, however. In exchange for building "free" gas stations for the NEX, the fuel price at the pump was allowed to float @ the "average" price for the local area, vice matching the "lowest" price as had been the NEX practice in the past.

Hugo visited China shortly after the UN meeting (did he know something?) in search of a possible replacement client for falling US sales, so a US "boycott" of Venezuelan oil will probably not work in a global economy. One wonders, however, how the dictator will find enough tankers to move his oil to China, and how China will fare with the high sulphur, dirty Venezuelan oil.

When you get right down to it, as usual, it really isn't about politics. It's about $$$$$ ... follow the money .... :sleep_125
 

Flash

SEVAL/ECMO
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
Hugo visited China shortly after the UN meeting (did he know something?) in search of a possible replacement client for falling US sales, so a US "boycott" of Venezuelan oil will probably not work in a global economy. One wonders, however, how the dictator will find enough tankers to move his oil to China, and how China will fare with the high sulphur, dirty Venezuelan oil.

When you get right down to it, as usual, it really isn't about politics. It's about $$$$$ ... follow the money .... :sleep_125

That is his biggest problem, the vast majority of refineries that process Venezuelan crude are in the US. It will take a massive investment on Chavez's and the PRC's part to build refineries that could recieve Chavez's oil in China or Venezuela. Money that PRC might not want to spend on a nut like Chavez, and money that Venezuela does not have.

Oil production has fallen precipitously in the past few years because the PDVSA has not invested in exploration and processing capability. Chavez has been spending it on social programs and in trying to spread his word and influence around the world.

"Affecting PdVSA’s ability to meet its investment goals are the increasing demands placed upon its finances by the Venezuelan government. In 2004, the Venezuelan government established a special development fund to finance infrastructure projects throughout the country; PdVSA will supply billions of dollars per year directly to this fund, bypassing the Venezuelan Central Bank. Further, government plans have the company spending an additional $2-3 billion per year on additional social programs. The effect of these new funding priorities has been significant, with PdVSA now spending more per year on social programs than investments into maintaining and expanding its oil production capacity.

Along with these directly-administered programs, PdVSA pays billons of dollars each year to the Venezuelan government in the form of income taxes and royalties. Finally, because of the numerous international agreements between Venezuela and its neighbors (see below), PdVSA is selling significant amounts of oil below market value, further eroding its available cash flow. It is unclear how the company will be able to afford its ambitious investment plans and continue to meet government financial demands"


Graph showing the declining production:

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http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Venezuela/Oil.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0531/p04s01-woam.html
 

snizo

Supply Officer
We still have a CITGO sign on base here - hope to see a giant shell or a green flower out there some day.

For now, though, I forgo my "NEX benefits" and get my gas out in town from a more America-friendly company.
 

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
I had been doing the same..

It was odd seeing the CITGO signs gone..

Although, considering one of CITGO's biggest refinerys in here in Corpus, you are hard pressed to find a CITGO station.. Not that they are gone, but Valero and Shell seem to be the big players.

Diamond Shamrock seems to have been replaced by Valero since 2002.
 

Goober

Professional Javelin Catcher
None
Diamond Shamrock is now a Valero brand. Same with Beacon for those familiar with them.
 

snizo

Supply Officer
Who is this Valero and where did they come from? I had never heard of them until I was in CC...

Me thinks it might be time to buy a little bit of VLO ....
 

eddie

Working Plan B
Contributor
Who is this Valero and where did they come from? I had never heard of them until I was in CC...

Me thinks it might be time to buy a little bit of VLO ....

I think they were mostly in the refining side (the biggest?) until recently.
 

snizo

Supply Officer
The Valero website says they're the largest refinery in the US. I'm just surprised is all - guess I've been living in the Valero-free zone for most of my life...
 

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
A lot of petroleum companies don't sell at retail.

Belcher, Global, CK Smith come to mind, and that's just whats on Gasoline Alley (1A) in Chelsea/Revere..

Also, for those that think brand XX is better than YY.. Guess what, I have loaded gas going to Shell, Sunoco, Generic, and Texaco, and pulled it all out of CITGO-Braintree..

The only real differences are Chevrons Techron is no joke, it actually is added out of a blend pump as we loaded the tankers. And Sunoco 94 really is 94.. The normally take 93 an juice it up with just enough ethanol to make it 94 octane, but not enough to make it considered "gasohol" or have to put it on the pump.. Less than 10% (5 in some states) and it does not have to go on them..

Now diesel, on the other hand, there is a WIDE spectrum of quality.. Generally, if you see semi's doing a lot of business there, the diesel is good. It's tha backwoods stations that barely sell any dielsel that you normally have to watch out for.
 

snizo

Supply Officer
Actually the way that the trans-continental pipelines work is that if Shell puts in 40,000 barrels at a terminal in Texas, they can pull out 40,000 barrels in a terminal in New York immediately. The actual gas that they get could have been put in the system by anyone.

The difference (other than octane ratings) is the additives. Each company has their own special blend of junk they put in their gasoline. Does it make a difference? Who knows...

Go team Discovery Channel!
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MasterBates

Well-Known Member
Snizo, read my above post.. While they may SAY they are doing one thing, I am posting what I have actually done myself, and is widely known in the transport sector..

Gas branding is almost 100% marketing.

My father has hauled gas/oil out of Boston & Providence for almost 30 years. From the time I was 7 I knew how to load a tanker. Hell, over Christmas, I drove a tanker for 5 days to help my dad out with the mad fuel rush right before the prices went up after New Years.
 

snizo

Supply Officer
I have no doubt that happens in transport ....

So - when Shell says that the other gas the did a test run on produced 'gunky' buildup .... whose gas was that? Mom and pop's homemade Gas-O-Leen? :confused:
 

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
Lets put this as a prime example.. On Christmas eve, I pulled a "Split Load" out of CITGO-Braintree.

I loaded:
4150g of 87 Octane in Compartment 1
1450g of 93 in #2
2650g of 93 in #3
3500g of 87 in #4

No valve/additive/nothing changes between compartments, other than the red hose for super on the fitting for 2 & 3 and the white hose for 87 on #1 & 4.. (89 is blue, used to be leaded if anyone cares)

Compartments 1 & 3 were dropped at the Shell station on US-44 in Plymouth, MA. Compartments 2 & 4 were dropped at "Tom's Gas" in North Carver on MA-58..

Same gas, one going to Shell, one going to Mom&Pop store, all loaded at CITGO. And this is the norm..
 
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