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China Congress passes Taiwan bill
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Economic sanctions my a$$. Thats for anyone who thought that taiwan would be able to get away with declaring independence and not have to pay the price in their own blood, and the blood of anyone else who trys to defend it. China just publicly drew the line in the sand...
Hm, perhaps this is one of the few cases where out government will be lobbying a country NOT to vote for its own freedom...
TransvestFO
Seven years of college, down the drain.
Not true. We have been telling Taiwan for years that if they declare independance, they are on there own. This move by China is more for local politics than for our digestion. Don't be fooled into thinking that everything said by a foriegn diplomat is aimed at us. Move along, move along, nothing to see here...
but its like a car crash that you know is going to happen (Dane Cook fans). I was washing a dish.. I heard it and I came out.TransvestFO said:
TransvestFO said:
I can see it as a message to the international community as a whole, China just previously made some comments about how they wanted the United States and Japan to but out of their internal affairs (read taiwan). To say that we definately won't do anything is neccessarily true (remember every time china rattles its saber we send the $hitty Kitty through the strait.) Then again, to say we are going to fight for Taiwan is not neccessarily true either. A lot of it is going to depend on when (and if) Taiwan declares independence, and who is the president at that time. Its also foolish to think that China is going to accept things the way they currently are forever- one way or another, they expect taiwan back. either peacfully or through force. The question is, how long are they going to wait?
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We have always stood by Taiwan. A chinese diplomat once made a reference to "risking los angeles," in regards to the china/taiwan issue. For those of you that don't remember that, google it.
The fact of the matter is, this one could go either way. As China becomes more of a capitalist society (and the trend is growing from Bangkok), the integration of the two countries might go smoother than expected. The US could viably support the merger of two captialist nations, if the Taiwanese gov't allows it. We won't support (or at least in the past haven't supported) a socialist country acquiring a "free" country.
For those that haven't noticed, Taiwan is a VERY economically based country. Any move that change the structure of the country in any way, must prove to be economically sound before the Taiwanese gov't would consider supporting it. Taiwan knows we have their back on this one, and they are using it to their advantage.
Hold on tight gentlemen, this could be rough. I just hope I don't have any stock in walmart before the sh*t hits the fan.
Jolly Roger
Yes. I am a Pirate.
There is two points being missed here:
1. Taiwan and PRC are very interdependent economically. Over the past few decades they have become increasingly more docile towards each other and they have allowed their economies become dependent on their profitable mutual trade. Any move that the PRC would make against Taiwan would destroy the trade and business between them, hurting the PRC economically. As more and more, newly rich businessmen enter politics in the PRC, that makes the thought of invasion fade a little faster.
2. When has the PRC government exactly followed the rule of law? This law is just as much, if not more, for domestic Chinese consumption, as it is foreign. It is a nationalist issue that can be used to unite the country if the populus gets restless, diverting the attention away from domestic problems.
The only way that the PRC will invade Taiwan is if the trade between them diminishes and/or if a PRC leader comes to power and seems illigitimate he will probably use the Taiwan to solidify the government and the people behind him.
Also if you noticed, directly after this "law" was passed the Bush Administration said they did not endorse Taiwanese independence at this time. It is the only pragmatical approach that could be taken, given how thin we are stretched. But does seem rather odd juxtaposed next to the great State of the Union speach he gave. Undoubtably, we would support the ROC (Taiwain- Republic of China) to the hilt if the PRC made a move. We would have to given the Bush Doctrine (supporting independent democracies around the world), unless we a complete collapse of our foriegn policy.
My view is that there is more likely to be a war between the Indians and the PRC, before there is a war between the US and the PRC over Taiwan. There is a good piece in this month's issue of Proceedings about a possible conflict between India and the PRC.
1. Taiwan and PRC are very interdependent economically. Over the past few decades they have become increasingly more docile towards each other and they have allowed their economies become dependent on their profitable mutual trade. Any move that the PRC would make against Taiwan would destroy the trade and business between them, hurting the PRC economically. As more and more, newly rich businessmen enter politics in the PRC, that makes the thought of invasion fade a little faster.
2. When has the PRC government exactly followed the rule of law? This law is just as much, if not more, for domestic Chinese consumption, as it is foreign. It is a nationalist issue that can be used to unite the country if the populus gets restless, diverting the attention away from domestic problems.
The only way that the PRC will invade Taiwan is if the trade between them diminishes and/or if a PRC leader comes to power and seems illigitimate he will probably use the Taiwan to solidify the government and the people behind him.
Also if you noticed, directly after this "law" was passed the Bush Administration said they did not endorse Taiwanese independence at this time. It is the only pragmatical approach that could be taken, given how thin we are stretched. But does seem rather odd juxtaposed next to the great State of the Union speach he gave. Undoubtably, we would support the ROC (Taiwain- Republic of China) to the hilt if the PRC made a move. We would have to given the Bush Doctrine (supporting independent democracies around the world), unless we a complete collapse of our foriegn policy.
My view is that there is more likely to be a war between the Indians and the PRC, before there is a war between the US and the PRC over Taiwan. There is a good piece in this month's issue of Proceedings about a possible conflict between India and the PRC.
Hey, I work for Wal-Mart, well not after August 1, but we have 29 stores in mainland China. I think it is funny as hell, there was good piece on Wal-mart a few months ago on CNBC and they showed one of the Wal-marts with a 16 ft statue of Chairman Mao looking across the square at the store with his arm raised with a smile on his face. Talk about irony.
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