Not this fighter guy. Good on the Marine. Whether it’s a manned airplane that can shoot back, or an explosive-laden drone that can blow up your buddies, it counts- as it should.
Fuck the Houthis.
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BZ to the Ace
- Thread starter CAMike
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Not this fighter guy. Good on the Marine. Whether it’s a manned airplane that can shoot back, or an explosive-laden drone that can blow up your buddies, it counts- as it should.
Fuck the Houthis.
Easy there pumpkin, you'll give yourself a stroke with that kind of energy.
If a Raptor dude shoots down 5 "weather" balloons are they an Ace?
Shooting something out of the sky that can't shoot back or do you harm? That's called target practice. Same way you don't get anything special for dropping bombs or shooting the gun in Afghanistan.
I did shoot down a drone with an AIM-7. I guess that counts.
Well…the F-22 guy did offer a triumphant “Splash One!”
LISTEN: New Details from the Audio of the Chinese Spy Balloon Shoot Down | Air & Space Forces Magazine
Recordings of radio transmissions, synced up with video, shed new light on how an F-22 fighter shot down a surveillance balloon from China.
www.airandspaceforces.com
And…no Air Medals were given in Afghanistan?
We received one extra point for each time we employed on a mission.Well…the F-22 guy did offer a triumphant “Splash One!”
LISTEN: New Details from the Audio of the Chinese Spy Balloon Shoot Down | Air & Space Forces Magazine
Recordings of radio transmissions, synced up with video, shed new light on how an F-22 fighter shot down a surveillance balloon from China.
And…no Air Medals were given in Afghanistan?
I'm not trying to minimize what this dude did, just not going to call him an Ace. And if this was me on the other end I wouldn't expect to be called an Ace either. Imagine meeting an actual Ace, lets say from Vietnam, and trying to explain to him how you deserve the same recognition.
ACE. No doubt in my mind. Title earned.
More importantly I think, for our heritage and history - of Naval Aviation - he is an Ace. Heritage to show that Naval and Maritime security matter, history to inspire the 12 year old right now reading about this Marine's accomplishment.
Put his picture in the Hall of Aces at the Naval Aviation Museum ASAP!
As a side note, this issue was raised in the book Red Storm Rising when the female F-15 pilot killed 5 Soviet satellites with ASAT missle. I believe Mr. Clancy agreed she was an Ace and he would today in this case.
Doom on you Mr. Houthie!!!!!
More importantly I think, for our heritage and history - of Naval Aviation - he is an Ace. Heritage to show that Naval and Maritime security matter, history to inspire the 12 year old right now reading about this Marine's accomplishment.
Put his picture in the Hall of Aces at the Naval Aviation Museum ASAP!
As a side note, this issue was raised in the book Red Storm Rising when the female F-15 pilot killed 5 Soviet satellites with ASAT missle. I believe Mr. Clancy agreed she was an Ace and he would today in this case.
Doom on you Mr. Houthie!!!!!
I understand. That said I think the operators of the boat drone that sank the Caesar Kunikov deserve the “tonnage” credit any submarine crew would get.
Buns also had a guns kill of a Badger.
Great comment. I’m glad we both recognize the institutional hypocrisy when we see it.
This is also the same forum that almost had an aneurysm over Harriers getting new radars and AMRAAM years ago.
skybert
Skybert
The world NEEDS another hot shots right now
Admitting that, as a helo bubba, I have little-to-no cred to weigh in here, but doing so anyway:
It seems to me that modern warfare has caused a schism between the definition and purpose/meaning of "ace." I think the underlying idea was that an ace survived 5× 1v1 air combat events or 1 or more many-v-many, etc. and killed 5 enemy fighters in the process. Five kills defines "ace" because kills are a measurable stat. Don't confuse the metric with the essential idea or goal (there's a great short book on this: The Tyrrany of Metrics).
I think "ace" is a complex idea encapsulating the inherent danger and odds of dying in air combat. "Ace" signifies the 2- or 3-sigma of fighter skills... someone with such a record it couldn't possibly be from luck alone.
If I successfully killed 5 subs with torpedoes, it would certainly be highly improbable and notable, but not because I survived -- most subs can't do anything about aircraft, so it's one-sided. It'd be like giving an artillery crew some form of "ace" for killing infantry units.
I'm in the drone kills don't count for Ace crowd.
It seems to me that modern warfare has caused a schism between the definition and purpose/meaning of "ace." I think the underlying idea was that an ace survived 5× 1v1 air combat events or 1 or more many-v-many, etc. and killed 5 enemy fighters in the process. Five kills defines "ace" because kills are a measurable stat. Don't confuse the metric with the essential idea or goal (there's a great short book on this: The Tyrrany of Metrics).
I think "ace" is a complex idea encapsulating the inherent danger and odds of dying in air combat. "Ace" signifies the 2- or 3-sigma of fighter skills... someone with such a record it couldn't possibly be from luck alone.
If I successfully killed 5 subs with torpedoes, it would certainly be highly improbable and notable, but not because I survived -- most subs can't do anything about aircraft, so it's one-sided. It'd be like giving an artillery crew some form of "ace" for killing infantry units.
I'm in the drone kills don't count for Ace crowd.
