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Blue Angel ride, Reporter passes out.
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A4sForever said:Definitely .... most definitely.
I guess reading and comprehension is still one of the challenges you face. Not to worry ... there is still time .... yes ???I said Leon might make it .....
But Leon didn't make the gut-cut .... and where did the "one passes out" stuff come from ??? That's what YOU said -- not me. He just puked his guts out .... big, greasy TEX-MEX luncheon fare from the base ops cafeteria. Slimy, toxic, industrial grade stuff .... two hours to clean up the back cockpit. No passing out ....
Like I said ... Leon was feelin' no "Love" ... and that WAS one of the reasons for the indoctrination flights and it WAS a winnowing process of sorts.
Look: at that stage in their training --- ALL of those MIDN were cocky and thought they were "gonna' be sh!t-hot fighter pilots" .... without having a clue as to what it was all about. They rolled into Beeville/Kingsville smart and cool, and after their indoc rides, there was just pile of warm bodies laying around the floor in base ops, with glazed half-closed eyes and little rivulets of saliva trickling down their chins.
Those rides saved the USN a lot of money, future instructors a lot of BS, and some of those boys a lot of heartache later on. It was a quick, easy, cost-effective, and meaningful lesson in the realities of Naval Aviation. Time tested, tried and true --- men from boys -- wheat from chaff --- it was a staple of MIDDIE aviation indoc hops back-in-the-day until the "kinder, gentler" Navy started its endless hand wringing and caring and sharing. Sounds like you don't like the "old ways"??? Then I suggest you don't take an "indoc" ride in my backseat or that of any of my Amigos .... :icon_rast
Cheers ....
Valid point! I misinterpreted your intended message. But I do agree with the point of the "indoc" rides.
What are some of the techniques the pilots (like yourself) use to keep blood flowing to the brain so that you stay conscious?
Used, you mean ... USED TO.skizkit said:
"G" tolerance is a very individual thing. Don't expect to perform too well with a hangover. But basically, staying in shape is the key -- weight training and light/medium aerobics --- don't overdo the aerobics. Fire-plug, muscular guys tolerated "G's" better than thinner long distance runner type guys. "Grunting" or what I believe is today called the AGSM (anti-"G" straining maneuver??) will also help keep the blood from pooling in the lower extremities. G-suits are better today. The guys flying today could probably give you better information ... ?
I believe centrifuges are more "available" and in "vogue" today than was the case 38+ years ago. We didn't have any for general use and evaluation of "G" tolerance. I did participate for about a month of pool time in PCola in the onboard centrifuge --- a guinea pig of sorts. Ugly pictures ....
When you are "doing it" and "flying it" your "G" tolerance will usually be better than when you are riding and breathing, i.e., a crewmember. It's easier when you know the onset and strength/duration of the coming "G's". I do not envy the B/N or RIO in high "G" maneuvering --- but they get used to it as well. Mine did ... I have "greyed out" in dogfights on occasion -- just that time of the month, I guess. :icon_rast
Today ... I prefer the blood flow FROM the brain on flights so I DON'T stay conscious. :sleep_125
skizkit said:
Coffee and cigarettes.
Lawman said:
Dunno about visors down, but OPNAV 3710 does say in tactical jets (and jet trainers) thou shalt be on O2 from takeoff till landing. So yeah, they probably have a waiver. That said, I'd bet they never go above 10,000ft cabin altitude, which is the usual threshold for hypoxia danger, hence the boom mics. Besides being a pain, 02 mask mics and amplifiers have a fairly short lifespan, what with being sensitive electronics that get breathed on constantly. They tend to crap out at inopportune times.
I'm sure the Blues can get whatever the heck they want waived, be it boom mics, nonstandard torso harnesses, lack of G-suits, and whatever else they need to do things their way . . .
might make a good .gif file.Schnugg said:That was really funny...I was laughing so loud people came over to my desk to see what I was looking at....
I think I found my next Avatar....
Makes for better video,... I reckon' you wouldn't be able to get as much entertainment out of it with the mask and visor.nittany03 said:
AND .... O2 is GREAT(!) if you are flying with the eagles on the Dawn Patrol after hooting with the owls last night ..... :icon_rastnittany03 said:
But the mask vs. boom mic?? In a fight or a cutting-edge, sustained "G" situation -- BLUES?? -- the last thing you want is your O2 mask pulling down on your face when you have to talk on the radio. A boom mic is a reliable way and reasonable compromise that will handle this phenomenon ...
... tactical jets or Blue Angels or not. "We" used boom mics all the time --- Fleet or Adversary flying. There's times for them and there's times you want the O2 mask.There's also a thread or two or two hundred around this forum that provides ... "insight" but I'm too senior to look 'em up.
We've gone over this and similar concepts @ 1,000 times .... but #1,001 won't ever hurt. Especially if it provides a ... "reality check" for a budding young skull full of cottage cheese.
While I will never counsel "bustin' the rules" ... that's a loosing hand .... what OPNAV, the FAA, and yo' Momma says and what and why the "real world" does some things are not always one and the same. There's those catch-all things called "technique" and things called "operational necessity" and things called "now, this is the way it REALLY works".
You said it yourself: sometimes you do "... whatever else they need to do things their way ... "
:icon_lol:skizkit said:
skizkit said:
I'm calling bull****... No one could be that naive :icon_wink
BrandonJ1780
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"What did you pilot when you were in?"
Once upon a time there was a jet, we'll call it the A-4. A mean, young ha'ole man flew it, liked it, even liked it so much that he put it in his screen name for all to see...
Once upon a time there was a jet, we'll call it the A-4. A mean, young ha'ole man flew it, liked it, even liked it so much that he put it in his screen name for all to see...
BrandonJ1780
Member
Just watched it, can't believe no one came in on me, I was laughin so hard...Probably would have done the same thing myself, sad but true...
skizkit said:
Although A4s has been a patron of Airwarriors for a long time, it has always been a mystery what A4s 'piloted.' Many have asked A4s what he flew back in the day,but A4s has yet to respond to that question. Many on this forum have come to the conclusion that what A4s actually flew, is highly classified information. Despite the fact that A4s won't comment on the aircraft A4s flew, many individuals on this forum have actually figured out what aircraft A4s did in fact pilot. It is still a mystery as to how they did in fact do so.