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Assault Weapon Ban

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ben

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Most gun manufacturers are already making all the stuff we want. It's just that the parts are stampted LE ONLY (Law Enforcement). Just don't stamp that new part and poof, any Joe off the street can get whatever. For example, I have spoken with the people at Bushmaster (they make AR-15s) and that is exactly what they are doing. They have all of the production capacity already - they just won't have to stamp stuff as LE ONLY anymore.
 

Fly Navy

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Yeah, like ben said, they've been producing the stuff all along, just with an extra stamp. As far as imports, well that gets tricky, there are other laws governing that.

As far as all the evil feature goodies, they too have always been produced. That stuff never went away because A) there is a pre-ban market B) there is the LE/Military market. All they will do is ramp up production, and they'll have to! The brothers over at AR15.com are buying EVERYTHING as we speak. The gun market is going to see an explosion after this ban I think.
 

El Cid

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I hate to deviate from the thread a bit but, I was wondering what you guys think about the whole "right to bear arms" under the pretext of "a well organized malitia"? I'm all for ownership of weapons but I'm more for accountability of firearm owners.

All that being said... does anyone have advice on finding a good sidearm? 9mm, .40, .45...? Revolver, semi...? Glock, S&W...? I want to find a good personal side arm and a good price with the ability to up grade the grip to fit my hand that I can use once I get commissioned.
 

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El Cid said:
I hate to deviate from the thread a bit but, I was wondering what you guys think about the whole "right to bear arms" inder the pretext of "a well organized malitia"? I'm all for ownership of weapons but I'm more for accountability of firearm owners.

Ok, here we go.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

There are two seperate concepts in this amendment. You have to understand how law was written then, and what the Founding Father's intendend.

The first part: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"

This means a militia is required to defend the country. Guess what, you're part of it. In 1789 (? forget exact year) a law was enacted, and it is STILL IN THE US CODE, that 18 to 40 I believe is the militia. Don't believe me? Look it up. It DOES NOT MEAN THE NATIONAL GUARD. The National Guard was not formed until MUCH MUCH later. Not yelling, just emphasizing.

The second part: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms"

Simple. The people, the INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear Arms. It is not a group or country right, it's an individual right.

Most Constitutional scholars WILL agree to these two concepts. It was also the intent of the Father's, especially Jefferson.

The 2nd Amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting by the way. Well, I mean it has something to do with it, but that's not why it exists. Again, I point to Jefferson.

All that being said... does anyone have advice on finding a good sidearm? 9mm, .40, .45? Revolver, semi? Glock, S&W? I want to find a good personal side arm and a good price with the ability to up grade the grip to fit my hand that I can use once I get commissioned.

PM me about this.
 

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El Cid said:
I hate to deviate from the thread a bit but, I was wondering what you guys think about the whole "right to bear arms" under the pretext of "a well organized malitia"? I'm all for ownership of weapons but I'm more for accountability of firearm owners.

My personal opinion here:

What do you mean by accountability? Weapon registration, personal licenses, something else? We already have perfectly adequate accountability: "do the crime, do the time". Committing crimes with a gun is a quick ticket to a long stay in the clink.

Quite honestly, I believe that if I'm not out committing crimes, the government has absolutely no business in my private life. I have firearms that are older than I am and have been handed down in the family. No business of the government's whatsoever.

And if someone else IS out committing crimes, I shouldn't have to get the permission of the government to defend myself and my fellow citizens.

Moving on to the Second Amendment:

The wording is unfortunately a little odd, and actually can be interpreted in very different ways. For example, many argue that "the people" is a collective entity and the right of that collective, in the form of an organized militia, to keep and bear arms is emphasized.

On the other hand, one might argue that BECAUSE we have militias run by the government, people (as individuals as well as collectives) must be able to keep and bear arms to discourage a violent and oppressive government.

The Supreme Court has never come out with a clear ruling on the issue (they keep applying the Second Amendment in specific cases only), and neither has Congress attempted to clarify the Amendment. This indicates, to me, that while you can debate the intent of the Authors, there is a certain reluctance to change their words. Perhaps the authors intended a little vaguery, or maybe the wording is the result of compromises. There are many many pages written on all sides of this issue...
 

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Dunedan said:
Quite honestly, I believe that if I'm not out committing crimes, the government has absolutely no business in my private life. I have firearms that are older than I am and have been handed down in the family. No business of the government's whatsoever.

AMEN!

The wording is unfortunately a little odd, and actually can be interpreted in very different ways. For example, many argue that "the people" is a collective entity and the right of that collective, in the form of an organized militia, to keep and bear arms is emphasized.

On the other hand, one might argue that BECAUSE we have militias run by the government, people (as individuals as well as collectives) must be able to keep and bear arms to discourage a violent and oppressive government.

The Supreme Court has never come out with a clear ruling on the issue (they keep applying the Second Amendment in specific cases only), and neither has Congress attempted to clarify the Amendment. This indicates, to me, that while you can debate the intent of the Authors, there is a certain reluctance to change their words. Perhaps the authors intended a little vaguery, or maybe the wording is the result of compromises. There are many many pages written on all sides of this issue...

See my previous post.
 

PropStop

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El Cid said:
All that being said... does anyone have advice on finding a good sidearm? 9mm, .40, .45...? Revolver, semi...? Glock, S&W...? I want to find a good personal side arm and a good price with the ability to up grade the grip to fit my hand that I can use once I get commissioned.

I have a glock 22 (.40S&W) which i like quite a bit. If i had to do it all over again though I wouldn't buy it. I'd spend the extra money and either get a Kimber 1911 (same as a Colt 1911, but i think they're nicer, and they are cheaper) or an H&K USP .45. The Glock is accurate and EXTREMELY durable, but i like the feel of the Kimber better and the H&K is a slightly better gun IMHO. I don't think there is a more durable gun than a glock though (sometimes called a "Glizack" by street hoods).

I'd say go to a gun store and look at a bunch of different guns. I know many people don't like glocks or H&K's because they have pretty big grips, so if you've got small hands they're uncomfortable. Find a gun that feels comfortable in your hands. Then find someone who owns that gun, or if you're lucky a gun shop will have a return policy that will allow you to take a gun out and try it, then return it if you don't like it.

As for actually buying the gun, shop around - lots! I got a great deal on my glock because i didn't impulse buy. In a squadron there is usually someone who'll be a dealer on the side and they usually give you wholesale+$25+$shipping - a great deal.

Good luck on your quest!
 

Fly Navy

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El Cid, I PM'd you. IM me on AIM.

PropStop, I got the smaller version, Glock 23. Nice pistol, accurate as hell. Though snappy as a b1tch.

Still love my SIG the best :)
 

VetteMuscle427

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What about Kerry? According to him the world is going to fall apart, the streets will be filled with automatic fire in the way Iraq has never seen.... Well, I dont think so... but I bet Bayonette killings will go up... coooool
 

Fly Navy

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Gotta watch out for those drive-by bayonettings...

Kerry has no idea what gunowners want. He pretends to be "aligned" with gun rights, but he would soon enough confiscate guns if he could.
 

Dunedan

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El Cid said:
... does anyone have advice on finding a good sidearm? 9mm, .40, .45...? Revolver, semi...? Glock, S&W...? I want to find a good personal side arm and a good price with the ability to up grade the grip to fit my hand that I can use once I get commissioned.

I have a S&W 4516 (.45, 3.25" barrel, 7 round magazine) that I absolutely LOVE. It's never jammed, is solid in the hand, and the factory sights are accurate.

The wife has a Ruger P-90 9mm that's pretty sweet, too.

Caliber seems to be a personal preference kind of thing...find a shop or a friend that'll let you try different kinds...
 

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Dunedan said:
Caliber seems to be a personal preference kind of thing...find a shop or a friend that'll let you try different kinds...

Yup. Bingo. 9mm, .40, .45, etc. All the same when it comes to defensive ammunition. I'm NOT talking about FMJ. Find one that you can comfortably shoot. Of course, each round has its perks. You can carry MUCH more 9mm then you can .45 in most size ranges. The new 357sig cartridge is very adept at penetrating glass, etc. .40 is like the halfway between 9mm and .45.

Of course, there is always 10mm.....
 
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