VMX out on the big deck eh? Hmmm..... ;-)
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All things MV-22 Osprey
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Full of questions:
1. Does anyone have a PDF of the Marine Aviation Plan (MAP) FY2012?
2. Is the proposed squadron map-out in MAP 2011 progressing as planned? The 20120320 Playbook says only two West HMMs have completed transitions but that doesn't sound right. Are we standing up new squadrons in addition to the HMM transition squadrons?
3. Are 'block C' 22's operational?
4. Are the NATOPS limits constantly changing as VMX continues to evaluate the platform? Or do they seem to be reaching true physical limits? (vs. engineer calculated limits)
1. Does anyone have a PDF of the Marine Aviation Plan (MAP) FY2012?
2. Is the proposed squadron map-out in MAP 2011 progressing as planned? The 20120320 Playbook says only two West HMMs have completed transitions but that doesn't sound right. Are we standing up new squadrons in addition to the HMM transition squadrons?
3. Are 'block C' 22's operational?
4. Are the NATOPS limits constantly changing as VMX continues to evaluate the platform? Or do they seem to be reaching true physical limits? (vs. engineer calculated limits)
1. No, but it's on Marines.mil
2. Two squadrons have completed transitions, plus 1 has been created out of whole cloth. Two more are in the process of transitioning.
3. Yes.
4. Define "constantly." The limits continue to change incrementally. In addition, significant NATOPS changes have occurred as a result of software changes.
2. Two squadrons have completed transitions, plus 1 has been created out of whole cloth. Two more are in the process of transitioning.
3. Yes.
4. Define "constantly." The limits continue to change incrementally. In addition, significant NATOPS changes have occurred as a result of software changes.
Believe the above big-deck CQ was part of an effort by the Marines to sell the Navy on -22s as the COD replacement. Former VRC skipper is now onboard at their program office.
Was curious if, for example, they had set a maximum allowable power setting that is incrementing as more tests are conducted. It's a somewhat rookie question since I guess all NATOPS manuals change as a platform matures.
Any other rumors of new weapons systems options? The IDWS looks like a good thing to have but I can imagine how much the payload capacity would be reduced with one in the belly.
Birds of Prey
CH-53E Super Stallion helicopters and MV-22B Ospreys land aboard Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune, June 18. Marines with 2nd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Division, boarded the aircraft to be flown to various training areas on base. The II Marine Expeditionary Force and 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing are conducting Exercise Mailed Fist throughout the week resulting in a surplus of aircraft available for training purposes and aerial infantry operations.
(U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Andrew Johnston
Osprey Stack
Marine Corps MV-22 Ospreys with Marine Tiltrotor Squadron (VMM) 161, Marine Aircraft Group (MAG) 16, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing (Forward), fly over the Arabian Sea Sept. 6, 2012. VMM-161 was transferring their aircraft to VMM-261, 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, U.S.S. Iwo Jima.
(U.S. Marine Corps photo by Sgt. Keonaona C. Paulo)
120919-N-XO436-058 GULF OF ADEN (Sept. 19, 2012) An MV-22B Osprey assigned to Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron (VMM) 261 (Reinforced) lifts off from the flight deck of the amphibious dock landing ship USS Gunston Hall (LSD 44). Gunston Hall and the embarked 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit (24th MEU) are part of the Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready Group, deployed in support of maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Jonathan Sunderman/ Released)
FAA considers us powered lift.
Easier answer: there's no such block in a logbook. It just says "MV-22B." The Navy/MC always talk about time in "type," not multi-, helo, or whatever.
If you mean how is the civilian world going to categorize it, Birdog is right. Of course, there's only one civilian tiltrotor in the world that I expect is going to be a one-off, so you're going to have to talk a potential civilian employer that it greatly resembles whatever it is you're trying to get hired to fly. It flies like a turboprop airplane in most regimes. Hopefully they believe me when I say it, because it's true.
If you mean how is the civilian world going to categorize it, Birdog is right. Of course, there's only one civilian tiltrotor in the world that I expect is going to be a one-off, so you're going to have to talk a potential civilian employer that it greatly resembles whatever it is you're trying to get hired to fly. It flies like a turboprop airplane in most regimes. Hopefully they believe me when I say it, because it's true.
Birds of a Feather
Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 365 conducted its largest flight ever, Feb. 20, 2012. The flight consisted of 10 aircraft taking off, maneuvering and landing together, as well as six of the aircraft conducting air-to-air refueling. Almost all of the Marines in VMM-365 participated in the flight in some way.
(Cpl. Martin Egnash)
Birds of a Feather
Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 365 conducted its largest flight ever, Feb. 20, 2012. The flight consisted of 10 aircraft taking off, maneuvering and landing together, as well as six of the aircraft conducting air-to-air refueling. Almost all of the Marines in VMM-365 participated in the flight in some way.
(Cpl. Martin Egnash)
We actually got one semi-good pass out of those. 10 plopters in parade echelon is a pain in the ass. There's a pic of us in rotoview at LZ Falcon - looked like apocalypse now.
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I realize that's the reason for the distinction, and why it's necessary to get the ME license, but like any other EP, how much is the average commercial ME pilot practicing that? A certain amount, probably, but not enough to hang this on.
I still have to get my ME commercial, but I hope that once I have the ticket, my tiltrotor time will at least merit serious consideration. Otherwise it's like a phrog pilot not being able to get a civilian helo job because he's never had to worry about tail rotor EPs.
Not to be a dick, but I would consider the most important regimes of civilian flying to be taking off and landing, in which case you aren't a turboprop at all.