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Advice for pukers
- Thread starter Sly1978
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Well, Chubby's flight would've looked far more hetero if it were a Hornet against the Fulcrum, but rep points nonetheless... 
"Two circle" derives from the idea that at a neutral merge, the fighter turns left, the bandit turns left as well-- as per the pic. Thus, the plane that accomplished the most degrees per second (i.e, "rate numbers") will ultimately win. This may results in several 360 degree circles through the sky-- very painful, high-G, going downhill to the deck. The "rate war" so to speak.
This does not have to be as depicted... anytime a fighter finds himself on the bandits' tail... say, with 90 degrees to go, he may want to get on his rate numbers and attempt two-circle flow. Does that make sense at all?
I'm probably not the best at explaining this... maybe A-4s or Schnugg could do better... might work easier on a cocktail napkin over a nice brewski
"Two circle" derives from the idea that at a neutral merge, the fighter turns left, the bandit turns left as well-- as per the pic. Thus, the plane that accomplished the most degrees per second (i.e, "rate numbers") will ultimately win. This may results in several 360 degree circles through the sky-- very painful, high-G, going downhill to the deck. The "rate war" so to speak.
This does not have to be as depicted... anytime a fighter finds himself on the bandits' tail... say, with 90 degrees to go, he may want to get on his rate numbers and attempt two-circle flow. Does that make sense at all?
I'm probably not the best at explaining this... maybe A-4s or Schnugg could do better... might work easier on a cocktail napkin over a nice brewski
TurnandBurn55 said:Well, Chubby's flight would've looked far more hetero if it were a Hornet against the Fulcrum, but rep points nonetheless...
"Two circle" derives from the idea that at a neutral merge, the fighter turns left, the bandit turns left as well-- as per the pic. Thus, the plane that accomplished the most degrees per second (i.e, "rate numbers") will ultimately win. This may results in several 360 degree circles through the sky-- very painful, high-G, going downhill to the deck. The "rate war" so to speak.
This does not have to be as depicted... anytime a fighter finds himself on the bandits' tail... say, with 90 degrees to go, he may want to get on his rate numbers and attempt two-circle flow. Does that make sense at all?
I'm probably not the best at explaining this... maybe A-4s or Schnugg could do better... might work easier on a cocktail napkin over a nice brewski
Yeah it all makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to answer my JV questions.
Well that's good. Make sure all Gator fans get aboves. But if that's not feasible, at least try to give the Nole pukes the belows.gatordev said:For a while now.
PUKING thread threadjack/course correction:
Actually, you did just fine.
BUT: an addendum in this "mean ol' Ha'ole man's" opinion :icon_rast... if you persist in more than ONE or certainly TWO horizontal 360's .... , you are just askin' for it --- GO HIGH --- if you can't get a whole bunch of angles in one +/- turn on your opponent -- you probably aren't going to .... and we never used a term like "rate numbers" -- it didn't exist.
FIGHT YOUR FIGHT -- NOT "HIS". Change the fight parameters. USE THE VERTICAL. Cut the corners. Stand on your tail. Use the rudders. Learn to love the "egg". Be an "egg-man". You CAN beat an airplane that has a better turn rate than you --- if you use everything at your disposal.
If you stay in the horizontal --- you will be embarrassed in practice --- or dead in the "real" world --- in short order ... :skull_125
PUKING thread .... threadjack .... OUT.
P.S. don't puke -- especially in the vertical.
Not the best at explaining this ...?? No, of course you're not. :icon_lol:TurnandBurn55 said:....I'm probably not the best at explaining this... maybe A-4s or Schnugg could do better... might work easier on a cocktail napkin over a nice brewski
Actually, you did just fine.
BUT: an addendum in this "mean ol' Ha'ole man's" opinion :icon_rast... if you persist in more than ONE or certainly TWO horizontal 360's .... , you are just askin' for it --- GO HIGH --- if you can't get a whole bunch of angles in one +/- turn on your opponent -- you probably aren't going to .... and we never used a term like "rate numbers" -- it didn't exist.
FIGHT YOUR FIGHT -- NOT "HIS". Change the fight parameters. USE THE VERTICAL. Cut the corners. Stand on your tail. Use the rudders. Learn to love the "egg". Be an "egg-man". You CAN beat an airplane that has a better turn rate than you --- if you use everything at your disposal.
If you stay in the horizontal --- you will be embarrassed in practice --- or dead in the "real" world --- in short order ... :skull_125
PUKING thread .... threadjack .... OUT.
P.S. don't puke -- especially in the vertical.