• Please take a moment and update your account profile. If you have an updated account profile with basic information on why you are on Air Warriors it will help other people respond to your posts. How do you update your profile you ask?

    Go here:

    Edit Account Details and Profile

ADM Stavridis writes

Wow, that's quite the list of articles. Interesting look into the evolution of the admiral's thought process, from ensign to four stars.
 
I was really hoping they'd start with some of his articles from "The Log" when he was a Mid.

It was like USNA's Mad Magazine, that was banned a few years after the Adm graduated.
 
Quite a prolific author. I wonder how he had time to work in between all of that.
 
129 Paddles said:
I have to believe a JO in a fleet squadron would get pummeled if he was even caught reading Proceedings - let alone writing that much for it... Maybe its just me.
Click to expand...

True, but remember, the good Admiral was a SWO. His first Squadron was as a DesRon, and by that time he was an O-6, not quite JOPA! :tophat_12
BzB :sleep_125
 
129 Paddles said:
I have to believe a JO in a fleet squadron would get pummeled if he was even caught reading Proceedings - let alone writing that much for it... Maybe its just me.
Click to expand...
Seriously?!! Is that how screwed up we are now? Is this a command climate thing or JOPA? As long as I can remember, we were encouraged to write. Few did, but it was not discouraged at all.
 
wink said:
Seriously?!! Is that how screwed up we are now? Is this a command climate thing or JOPA? As long as I can remember, we were encouraged to write. Few did, but it was not discouraged at all.
Click to expand...

NO, there aren't a bunch of JO's encouraging each other to read or submit articles to Proceedings in tac-air ready rooms these days - I guess we're all f'ed up huh? There's usually a copy floating around the ready room or stuck in the back of the stall door. I suppose its a poor command climate.... WTF?
 
Umm...I don't know what the Navy looked like back then, but nowadays if Ensign Anybody wrote a thoughtful article basically saying, "Hey, we've been all fucked up WRT our training but FINALLY you old people are getting a clue!" I can't see that dude surviving the next fitrep cycle. Just goes to show, huh...Either back then people actually judged the content for its worth as opposed to person writing it, or........Nobody read Proceedings.
 
129 Paddles said:
NO, there aren't a bunch of JO's encouraging each other to read or submit articles to Proceedings in tac-air ready rooms these days - I guess we're all f'ed up huh? There's usually a copy floating around the ready room or stuck in the back of the stall door. I suppose its a poor command climate.... WTF?
Click to expand...
You missed the point, my fault. By command climate I mean would a JO be subject to repercussions from seniors for speaking out, taking a stand, or being innovative? Is the command afraid of open debate? My reference to JOPA was meant to inquire whether there was peer pressure not to invest the time or effort in public debate or innovation. I didn't mean JOs encouraged each other to write back in my day. Our senior leadership encouraged it. And no, we didn't sit around reading Proceedings and debating the feature article. But, we did care enough to look at the copy floating round the ready room and on occasion the CO or XO directed us to an article. As a group, I don't think we thought we knew it all. Most of us thought just maybe we could learn a thing or two from others that contributed to the magazine. Now in the interests of clarity, let me make sure I have read your sarcastic remarks correctly. You think that there is no reason to be interested in the future of the Navy, particularly NAVAIR, or professional development. You believe that JOs are too busy to read a professional article or contribute their thoughts on a subject even though they are precisely the ones that know better and are on the receiving end of the BS that rolls downhill when there is no push back or better ideas? If that is the case, and all JOs see it like you, then we are totally fucked and it isn't just because of senior leadership. Am I wrong?
 
IRfly said:
Umm...I don't know what the Navy looked like back then, but nowadays if Ensign Anybody wrote a thoughtful article basically saying, "Hey, we've been all fucked up WRT our training but FINALLY you old people are getting a clue!" I can't see that dude surviving the next fitrep cycle. Just goes to show, huh...Either back then people actually judged the content for its worth as opposed to person writing it, or........Nobody read Proceedings.
Click to expand...
I don't get this point. If you write something worthwhile and you are a total dirt ball not worth the bars on your collar, you will be written up as a dirt ball. The content of what you write matters less than your actions over a year. What is wrong with that? But most of you are not dirt balls. You write something controversial, innovative, or critcial, but are a decent officer, you shouldn't have to read about insolence in a fitrep. Frankly, I don't think you would. But you would have to refrain from using "fuck" and be just a little bit respectful. If a JO can manage that , then I expect he would be OK. I hope so.
 
My NROTC unit used to subscribe and stock archives of Proceedings dating back into the '40s at least. Every squadron I served in had a current copy readily available in the Ready Room and it was considered 'professional reading'.

I've read Proceedings for @ 50 years and been a subscriber for 48 years. I wept uncontrollably when the Naval Review annual went to soft cover. I wish Proceedings would re-publish some of the old -- really old -- articles. Mebbe make THAT the annual 'review' ... ???

And here I thought everyone read it ... :)
 
Funny. My original comment was aimed at imaging the ration of shit a JO in a ready room would get with the amount of output the good admiral had in his younger days. From that you construed that "we're that screwed up". I clarified my point for you and we get this parochial rant... So let me make sure you're reading my sarcastic comments correctly: if a dude in a ready room submitted the number of articles the admiral did when he was a JO he would have been made fun of. Not because "we" don't care about the future of the Navy or NavAir - not because "we" don't value professional development. It would have been because that what's happens in ready rooms - do something to highlight yourself and get made fun of. Its the irreverent good natured ribbing that allows us to tolerate those who are just a bit too wound up..... /smiley face/
 
wink said:
I don't get this point. If you write something worthwhile and you are a total dirt ball not worth the bars on your collar, you will be written up as a dirt ball. The content of what you write matters less than your actions over a year. What is wrong with that. But most of you are not dirt balls. You write something controversial, innovative, or critcial, but are a decent officer, you shouldn't have to read about insolence in a fitrep. Frankly, I don't think you would. But you would have to refrain from using "fuck" and be just a little bit respectful. If a JO can manage that , then I expect he would be OK. I hope so.
Click to expand...

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not buying. I only read the ENS and first JG article, but something is weird. One need look no further than this forum to understand that in the military, few people care how great your ideas are until you have a little street cred. But for an Ensign to jump into a funding debate (as in, our funding is inadequate and this creates, by extension, inadequacies in our training) just smells funny. I'm just saying, I don't think that the "Strategic Ensign" would get a lot of respect these days. I think that, if anyone cared or noticed, it would be more like the "Lead Ensign" treatment.

That article is BIG STUFF, though. He's jumping the whole chain of command and taking it straight "to the people" by saying, in effect, "I and my fellow SWOs have been inadequately trained because our training has not been properly funded." If nothing else, it certainly serves notice and definitely makes it less surprising, to me, anyway, that he is where he is now.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top