Accelorated Training Pipeline:

[Valion310]

Hey all, I'm curious about something. I'm currently an Aerospace Tech major and about to gain my Private Pilot and will be IFR and Commercial qual'd by the time I grad. next year. I know the Navy will teach me how they want me to fly, but I was told that with the number of hours I'll have already, that there is a chance I could get pushed into some accelorated training pipelines and even have better chances into the fighter community.
I'm curious how much of that is true? And if so, how does that work when API or NASC see's my hours?

Thanks a ton -
Valion310 out-



Edited by - Valion310 on 07/19/2002 04:08:11

 

[ghost_ttu]

Couple more Accelorated questions:

1. Does anyone know about how many hours you need to have to be considered for accelorated?

2. If you are put into accelorated and you get to a point where it looks like you need to knock down to the normal pace, will they pull you out of accelorated and back you up? Or just let you continue at the normal pace from the point you seemed to brick wall?

3. Would they attrite someone from flight school that is on the accelorated path before taking them off the accelorated path?

 

[kmac]

Per MPTS (the training syllabus), you must have at least a Private Pilots Certificate to get accelerated. This will get you accelerated through FAMs. Basically the way FAMs are set up, you have 3 blocks of 4 flights each. When you pass the required graded items on a flight in the block, then you can skip the remainder of the flights in that block. For example, say on Fam 3 you do pretty well and there are no more new items for Fam 4. If you have a PPC or better, you can skip Fam 4. Is this advantageous? Well for the early Fams (1-4 which aren't graded) probably not. But it will start helping your NSS if you can skip a flight in the next 2 blocks. The reason for this is because you have less graded items. A certain percentage of your NSS comes from a calculation between the average total number of graded items minus your total of graded items. Therefore, the less number you have, the higher your grade will be.

Getting into the accel. program is up to your on-wing or someone in your chain-of-command. For that reason it's a certain matter of luck that goes into if you'll be accelerated. Most instructors though will allow you to skip if you show them you're proficient. They realize that it can only help your NSS. After all, you won't be accelerated unless you perform well.

*VT-6 is currently not accelerating any students.

 

[ghost_ttu]

My recruiter has told me to keep my mouth shut about having flight experience, that they will grade more difficult if you have experience. Any comments? And is it really possible to go through primary with never telling your on-wing that you have flight experience?

 

[webmaster]

quote:*VT-6 is currently not accelerating any students.

Is that because VT6 keeps you busy enough as it is flying that you get through the syllabus just as fast as an accelerated student would?

 

[kmac]

John-
From my understanding, VT-6 is currently the fastest squadron at Whiting. However they have slowed down in this past month (just like the other squadrons) due to being too far ahead for the fiscal year. The only ones that will go faster are the "lucky" Air Force guys in VT-3 who are supposed to get done in 16 weeks.

Ghost-
Not a single flight has gone by where an instructor has not asked me whether or not I had prior flight time. In fact, even in the sims they will ask you. I've never heard of getting graded harder because of it. Only one cranky sim instructor said I had bad habits on the radios because of it. The instructors in my squadron love it when a stud comes in "knowing how to land." Of course, all I have to do is say the man's name and everyone will understand. The flight instructors will grade you on how you perform, not your past performance. Besides, with the IFS program getting bigger and bigger, everyone will have a certain degree of flight experience.

 

[Valion310]

Cool, thats kinda what I figured cause I'm still under 10 hours and my IP has me doing touch/go's and I'm within five hours of solo'ing, so I take that as either I'm good enough already where we are moving fast and I figured thats the way it would work with an on-wing also. Thanks a TON for the good Gouge.

A side thought on the IFS program, I'm just a few miles up from USAFA and we are getting a lot of cadets who are being sent out to the local clubs for their primary due to the Academy not having an active Air Wing as they have in the past. If the IFS is what it sounds like, then its in full after burner atleast in this community. I know after they have done six weeks of hard core flying at our local fields, they are being sent to their Intermediate (Can't remember how the AF cycle goes compared to the Navy pipeline cycle ... ) So, if IFS goes service(s) wide, then good luck and have fun buzz'n around with civilians for a while...

Thanks again for the Gouge on the accelorated programs. I guess if your good enough, they'll skip Primary, Intermediate and put you straight into the RAG ... muauauahahahah

Valion310 out-

 

[Valion310]

I just thought of a quicky question. With API and Primary being so intense, what are some good methods I can use in my civilian flying right now to simulate the "fire hose"? (As if 18 credit hr's a semester isnt that already ... lol) Or maybe a better question is, outside of training, how many hours are you all spending on review, study, etc that we can take into our own flight training before we even hit the military system that can best prepare us? Thanks

 

[webmaster]

What is primarily going to help you out later is the fact that you are comfortable in the plane, and two, that you aren't a bumbling idiot on the comms!

A lot of what you are going to do is rote procedures, that in NO WAY can you jerk the instructors chain on. Such as power has to be set at 500, you are climbing to 1500 feet at a certain point, making a radio call at another point. All the comms and IGP reports (instrument, gas, position) are in a certain format.

So, it behooves you to have all those memorized so they become second nature to you in the plane. So, while you are getting overwhelmed by other things, you are not struggling with what in effect are the basics. I don't imagine there is much that you can do right now, except to build experience in flying what you are doing already.

 

[Valion310]

Thanks John, and everyone else great help and I really can't wait! I'm about to go pre-brief/pre-flight here in about two hours then its a fun two hours of touch and goes. I'm getting pretty good on the comm's, I fly out of Centennial Airport here just on the south end of Denver which is the 2nd busiest airport in the world for its type (non-commercial). So the patterns get SUPER busy, but after reading the gouge on the Whiting pattern, I'm presuming the busier the better cause it will help me deal in heavy comm's and paying attention.

Hey, did I read somewhere that guys with hours are being funneled into Vance? Or do we still get to choose our primary?

Thanks a ton
Valion310 out-

ps~ If any of you guys ever fly into Buckley AFB or Centennial Airport (APA) and need a place to crash, let me know. Or if you ever want a beer, I gotcha hooked up. (I saw one of the twin engine trainers while I was taxiing coming in, but didn't get a good look at what squadron they were from.)

 

[Machine]

Probably VT-35. There's an instructor there that likes to go to Centennial. It's a good place to get gas between Corpus and Whidbey.

 

[Gatordev]

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Thanks a ton
Valion310 out-

ps~ If any of you guys ever fly into Buckley AFB or Centennial Airport (APA) and need a place to crash, let me know. Or if you ever want a beer, I gotcha hooked up. (I saw one of the twin engine trainers while I was taxiing coming in, but didn't get a good look at what squadron they were from.)




Hey, Valion, I flew into Centennial on my Intermediate cross country. Your right, that was freaking busy.

As for accelerating...I wouldn't bother. If your asked if you have flight time, tell the truth, but otherwise, suck up the extra flight time and pad your NSS .

 

[Valion310]

Nod Nod, I like how busy it is though, great place to train in that kind of environment! (Plus their are quite a few super hotties that ride around on the bagillions of private jets and hang around the JetCenter from time to time! lol)

Rogg on the suck'n up the hours and just plowing through it. I like to think one can never have enough hours and can never have enough training.

Let me know if you fly in again some time.

Valion310 out-

 

[Gatordev]

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Let me know if you fly in again some time.

Valion310 out-




Hehe...yeah, the FBO was certainly bustling w/ activity. A welcome change after having been in Pcola for 6 months . Afraid I won't make there for some time. Our 150 mile radius range just ain't going to cut it to get there especially what w/ that pesky Pacific Ocean in the way .

 

[Valion310]

LOL ... (just checked your profiles saying your in Grass Skirt & Betty Nugg's land). Well, Hawaii is a much better place to be than CO, I'm thinking of ejecting out of here in about six months and heading down to FL. You'll have to hit up some N. Shore waves for me, Colorado doesn't get many good swells!

Valion310 out-