Sorry this is kind of long, but this was sent to me via my AO yahoo group. The Air Farce pukes are all upset, in fact some of the comments are a little more than just a rivalry factor. Again sorry it's a long one but read it if you've got time. Oh, and if any of the Ripper's read this; BZ on getting that gun kill, you guys made my day!
GREAT!!!))
That was the high time some more traditional airplane keep the ugly
beast's butt!
Jacek Z. | 04.08.06 - 8:46 pm | #
Sorry, of course, I meant "kicking", not "keeping"
Somehow I am not looking forward to the era when all fighters are
going to be stealth and carry weapons in the bomb bay.
Jacek Z. | 04.08.06 - 8:49 pm | #
You know, if I were the F-18 driver that took that shot, I wouldn't
want it published all over the internet. For one thing, its a pretty
crappy gunshot: way out of plane, tons of closure, and a very high
aspect angle. He might have got the pipper on for one frame or two,
but he's headed straight to overshoot land, where the Raptor is
probably going to reverse and hammer him.
Second, I'm willing to bet the aspect angle is so high that its a
training rules violation...not a smart way to go. Remember those 2
F-18s that hit each other a while back? This is the type of thing that
causes those accidents...TRs are written in blood.
Also, from when my squadron fought F-18s, there is a 1000'
bubble...looks like he's about to break that rule too.
Nice. Way to go Navy, continuing your tradition of being the least
professional, least competent, and least combat capable fighter pilots
(excuse me, A-V-I-A-T-O-R-S) in existence. Oh, but you can land on a
boat, so that makes it all better.
*snark off*
Blue4 | 04.09.06 - 3:39 am | #
Edit: From when my squadron fought Raptors, is what I meant...
Fighting F-18s is hardly good sport.
Blue4 | 04.09.06 - 3:41 am | #
"Oh, but you can land on a boat, so that makes it all better."
Can you?
NFO | 04.09.06 - 3:51 am | #
NFO - Doesn't really matter. If all you can do with any skill is
accomplish takeoffs and landings, whether its from a boat or not,
you're pretty well worthless. That's the administrative part of the
mission, dude.
Call me when a MiG blows up or a target gets destroyed because
somebody caught a 3-wire, 'cuz that's when I'll be impressed.
Otherwise, you're just wasting extra gas that you might need for those
three passes at the boat, when a REAL combat asset could be hauling
more, farther, with less limfacs. Oh, and not worrying about
"bringback" either.
Blue4 | 04.09.06 - 6:47 am | #
Gravatar Lemme guess it's probably Waco doing the Navy bashing around
here. Man get a life Waco, the F-22 was killed plain and simple. Don't
like it then tough.
SH | 04.09.06 - 7:10 am | #
I'm not Waco, but I'll credit him for the quote about catching a
3-wire, killing a Mig, etc. I have flown with him though, and he's a
lot more friendly to the Navy than I am. Personally, I think they're a
bunch of clowns.
I never said the Raptor didn't get killed. Maybe it did, maybe it
didn't...you can't tell that from that one frame.
What you CAN tell is that its a crappy gunshot, a training rules
violation, and speaks volumes about what a crappy pilot whoever was
flying that thing is.
Get a life yourself SH, I'm perfectly happy with mine.
Blue4 | 04.09.06 - 7:38 am | #
Don't worry, you'll all be replaced by remotely controlled vehicles
sometime in the next 30 years...this will make the current argument
irrelevant.
Besides, I thought this was all good spirited banter anyway...it's too
bad our friends in the Navy/Airforce feel this way about each other.
Last time I checked, we were all on the same team.
No need to get personal my friends.
go airforce | 04.09.06 - 9:11 am | #
Blue 4,
For the record the shot was a 16 aspect and got as close as 800 feet.
What's a little TR violation amongst friends? It's also interesting
that the Hornet is down to 180 knots after only 180 degrees of turn.
Diogenes | 04.09.06 - 10:51 am | #
Sweet...sign me up to fly with those guys...NOT.
Blue4 | 04.09.06 - 11:55 am | #
Is it Murph?
alert5 | Homepage | 04.09.06 - 1:03 pm | #
well, if it violated the training regulations (which im not sure if it
did), 3 lives would have been at stake.
Fortunately, there was no accident, and well, the F-22 got "killed."
I've a few questions tho. From the pic posted (hud display) , how
likely was a mid-air collision? Cos it sure didn look like the hornet
was gonna keep turning after it...
sg1 | 04.10.06 - 1:11 am | #
>It's also interesting that the >Hornet is down to 180 knots after
>only 180 degrees of turn.
How do you know they had turned 180 degrees by this "static" picture?
Were you there? At what airspeed was the Hornet during the start of
the engagement?
His max G is 7.6 and he's at 18.5 AOA...the Super Hornet could have
kept the turn going a bit more.
go airforce | 04.10.06 - 2:12 am | #
Well, you have to know these things when you're a king you know.
Diogenes | 04.10.06 - 5:11 am | #
quit your wanking Blue4, your just pissed that a piece-o-crap SH is
gunning the AF's 150+ million dollar baby ... i've seen numerous
videos of dip-ship AF pilots breaking TR's by fishing for a lock in
the forward quarter withing 1.5nm, among other TR violations. matter
of fact, i fought some kunsan falcon dudes who were surprised when,
after their brief that included no TR's, me & my wingie read our ACM
training rules. they said they don't normally do it.
by the way, the little circle on the right wingroot of the raptor is
called a BATR cue, which indicates where the bullets are hitting at
range ... so yea, excessive closure, probably the only shot
opportunity the SH could/would get, but in real life, an overshoot
wouldn't matter in this case because the raptor would be a fireball
"Fighting F-18s is hardly good sport." ... dude you're hating .. dont
hate player, hate the game
gunning falcons | 04.10.06 - 7:50 am | #
Gravatar In REAL combat ops, there are no Training Regs. Minimum-range
be damned, it's just the AF guys making up an excuse for getting on
the wrong end of the gun.
Real pilots wouldn't whine about their opponents breaking the rules.
SL | 04.10.06 - 12:08 pm | #
Thought I was cruising past the maternity ward... I'm hearing a LOT of
crying going on in here...
KS | 04.10.06 - 12:17 pm | #
"gunning falcons" - if you are so hard over about making sure you
brief the training rules, how about making sure some of your own
follow the ****ing things every once in a while? You want to *****
about guys breaking the 9K pure pursuit rule, then don't be pulling
lead for a gunshot (snap, at best) with a 16 aspect angle (or, I'm
sorry, to use your back asswards terminology, within 20 degrees of the
nose--way less than 45, schmuck) inside of the bubble!!! Its simple
ass, don't break the rules, or if you do, don't ***** about somebody
else doing it to you next time.
As for the Raptor being a fireball, I'll believe it when I see the
remaining frames. I don't know how the Super Snorer works, but since
its the same gun, I'm assuming you need 15 frames for a guns kill.
There ain't no way in hell the hack in that HUD's cockpit got it, not
off that angle off/closure/out-of-plane combination. So how about you
stop letting the internet morons think you are a hero, when you really
got a snap, NOT sufficient for a kill, then were reversed on, and got
HAMMERED by the Raptor for a full up track.
Wish we could see HIS HUD...oh wait, they follow other rules too,
about not releasing HUD footage into the unclass realm...guess you
boys missed security training too. Must be why we have all these leaks
to the Av Mags...ass.
Oh, and any time you want to meet me in my Block 50, I'll be glad to
rumble it on against your can't-exceed-the-Mach-with-external-pylons,
underpowered, overhyped, overpriced, piece of Supher ****, ****o. Good
thing you guys paint them such pretty colors to look good at airshows,
'cuz your freakin' worthless in combat.
SL - Time to go to your room, kiddo, Mom and Dad are talking here.
Since you obviously have no practical experience, I'm cutting you a
break before I call you a ****o too.
Blue4 | 04.10.06 - 1:03 pm | #
