767 Lands on Taxi-way in Atlanta

[HAL Pilot]

Here is 19R at McCarren Las Vegas. Notice the "TAXI ONLY" and squiggly lines? There have been more than one aircraft land on those taxiways, especially on hot. hazy, dusty summer days. It can be very hard to determine which is the runway and which is the taxiway - and there is no localizer for this runway. Sit out there watching on any given day and you will see at least one aircraft making a last minute jog to the runway on short final as they see the paint.

And there have been taxiway landings even after the paint went down.

 

[PropAddict]

I be it was a normal ride and 99% of the pax had no clue about what happened.

You got questions for the pilots - write a letter to the company because if you get in my face, I'll make sure you have a police escort.

I was gonna make a snarky comment about wondering where HAL was at the time of this incident, then I saw that it was at ATL and figured I'd leave it alone.

But now, I'm curious. . .that one comment seemed to strike a nerve. . .

 

[HAL Pilot]

But now, I'm curious. . .that one comment seemed to strike a nerve. . .

I hate pax....they seem to think they know how to fly my plane....

The other day after dodging storms all the way, "you need to learn how to fly better, those bumps were ridiculous. I've flown with many pilots that knew how to keep it smooth. Maybe you should take more lessons".

Of course I loved the extra day at home about a year ago when near the end of boarding a pax asked the Captain of our LAS-HNL flight if he was drunk. Captain picking up the PA..."Ladies and gentleman, sorry to give you the bad news but I'm afraid this flight is going to be either very delayed or canceled. The gentleman in seat 23A decided to accuse me of being drunk. Even though I do not drink alcohol, to protect both myself and my airline, I can not fly this flight. I now have to go take a blood alcohol test to prove this and it will be at least 24 hours for the results to come back. Sorry but this is the only way to protect my career and my family's livelihood. So if you will please gather your belongings and deplane the aircraft, the customer service representatives in the lobby will further assist you."

And for those that are wondering, this is exactly what both our Chief Pilot and union said to do in this type of situation.

Of course if I did something really stupid, I'd just stay in the cockpit with the door closed until the pax were all off the plane.......

 

[A4sForever]

I hate pax....

Hating airline pax = airline pilot experience talking.

I "hate" pax, too ... when I first got hired, I thought 'haulin' trash' was beneath me (how foolish) and I ONLY wanted the passenger flights ...however, I learned to appreciate the freighters over the years. Flyin' freight was even 'easier' in the days prior to overnight package delivery coming of age internationally, i.e., in the days before the delivery date actually started to matter. Prior to overnight delivery, sometimes you'd spend days at a layover station waiting for the 2-3-4 day late freighter to come in ... always a good deal @ SIN, HKG, MNL, NRT, ANC, JFK, LAX, , SFO, TPE .... the list goes on ...

Eventually, I'd to almost anything to get a freighter instead of a bunch of whiny pax and bitchy flight attendants on a passenger flight ... :icon_wink

 

[loadtoad]

Was talking to my dad about this (Delta pilot based out if Atl) through email and this is what he said.



"Why I don't like South America flights. They are true all-nighters both ways. 10 hour all night flight, so they were tired. Medical emergency to preoccupy. They asked for 27R to be closest to terminals in declaring an emergency. Since that is not a normal landing runway, the ILS may have not been on. New construction on that end with an additional parallel taxiway that we currently don't use could cause one to line up on the taxiway........except for those little blue lights ......."

 

[A4sForever]

Was talking to my dad about this .... "Why I don't like South America flights.* They are true all-nighters both ways.* 10 hour all night flight, so they were tired.* ...

Yeah .. not to *ding* your Dad, but I love it when the guys who fly North/South through 1-2-3 times zones think it's 'rough' flyin' redeyes ... or the guys who fly CONUS think it's 'rough' when they fly through 3 time zones coast-to-coast ...

Try crossin' the Pond ... the BIG one ... half of every month .... year after year ... for 25 years ... mebbe 15-16+ time zones a day ... back to back with minimal crew rest in many situations ... all the usual suspects just waitin' for a 'pilot error' accident/incident.

It is, in a word: brutal. Where do we get such men???

Bah, humbug: only when they've done 'it' do the 'South America' and CONUS guys have something to 'redeye-complain' about ...

 

[loadtoad]

Yeah .. not to *ding* your Dad, but I love it when the guys who fly North/South through 1-2-3 times zones think it's 'rough' flyin' redeyes ... or the guys who fly CONUS think it's 'rough' when they fly through 3 time zones coast-to-coast ...

Bah, humbug: then, and only when they've done 'it' do the 'South America' and CONUS guys have something to 'redeye-complain' about ...

Just to clear things up: the old man has been flying airlines for almost 30 years and goes both ways over the pond... He hasn't done CONUS flights for quite some time. He doesn't like going to South America because of the schedules and because it's a shit hole. He's senior enough to do what he wants. No "ding" recieved

 

[A4sForever]

Just to clear things up: the old man.... goes both ways over the pond... ... He's senior enough to do what he wants. No "ding" recieved

Roger that; you don't have anything to 'clear up' .... except I'm not too sure about Dad if he goes 'both ways' over the Pond ... sorry, I just had to ....

One of my first SA trips w/ another airline was down to Bogota -- the first night in bed, I could hear automatic weapons fire @ 2-3 blocks away from the 4-star hotel that we were staying at ... and that was before the drug cartels took over and it really went downhill ...

South America sucks. It used to be great ... now, not so much.

*edit* ... time for squeezin' limes ... anyone?? Anyone ... ???

 

[brownshoe]

*edit* ... time for squeezin' limes ... anyone?? Anyone ... ???

It is here in Maryland, popped open a Miller Lite just a few minutes ago. I had to get supper started, get my trash up to the curb, but now I'm settled in. No neighbors this evening either! No kids in my backyard wanting to use my bathroom and no kids wanting a drink of water... It's Heaven! Peace and quiet.

Steve

 

[A4sForever]

It is here in Maryland, popped open a Miller Lite just a few minutes ago...

Fuckin' A, Steve-O .... drunk post follows:

". . . . . . . . . . . . . ."

ALOHA, Bruddah!

 

[scoolbubba]

You old guys have the life. Whilst you're squeezin' limes, I was turnin' knobs so the FO bubbas could get some sub killin' practice. Youth is wasted on the young, I guess.

All work and no play makes scoolbubba a dull boy.

 

[BACONATOR]

Here is 19R at McCarren Las Vegas. Notice the "TAXI ONLY" and squiggly lines? There have been more than one aircraft land on those taxiways, especially on hot. hazy, dusty summer days. It can be very hard to determine which is the runway and which is the taxiway - and there is no localizer for this runway. Sit out there watching on any given day and you will see at least one aircraft making a last minute jog to the runway on short final as they see the paint.

And there have been taxiway landings even after the paint went down.

Palm Springs international (KPSP) is also laden with "taxiway" painted on the parallel taxiways....

... they do say that warnings and obvious signs like that are laid down for a REASON.

 

[C420sailor]

I know of at least one person who has lined up on Y taxiway on short final when looking for 13L at NGP...but he shall remain nameless.

 

[A4sForever]

DISCLAIMER: what follows is a complete lie ...

BUT: if you care to listen to a lie ... :icon_wink .... after 3 (three) hops in hot & dusty So. Tejas, I motored over to NPA for an LSO conference scheduled for the following day ....

I was BEAT ... totally beat ... and I was solo ... the WX was severe-clear to the moon all the way (thank God) ... I lined up for a 100 mile visual to RW 7L ... the only problem was they were landing 25R ... the tower & I were talkin' to each other all the way down the 'chute' ... they queried me once or twice if I 'had the runway in sight' ... I rogered that I did ... they had me turn on my landing light (hmmmmm .... that's unusual) ... and then they instructed me to "WAVE-OFF, WAVE-OFF ... cleared to turn left and enter a right downwind for runway 25R, DO YOU HAVE THE RUNWAY IN SIGHT???" ...

The realization of what almost happened was like a slow-motion glass of ice water being thrown in my face ...

I landed on 25R, taxied into the transient line, shut down and called the tower. After a brief chat, I thanked them profusely and the next day I bought them a very, very expensive CASE of the liquor of their choice which was delivered to the duty section w/ the LT's compliments.

Morale of the story: there are those who have and those who will ... know your limitations -- and don't EVER SAY 'it can't happen to me' ...

 

[LowWingLoad]

Question for some of you guys that have in the thousands of hour's logged catagory.

With so many incidents happening lately do you think that these events are related to the way we train flight crews now days vs the old ways?

What I mean by that is the majority of my flight training time was all done in an actual aircraft and by that token extremely expensive to obtain but you also learned what it meant to actually fly a plane rather than just learning systems. I was talking with a friend of mine that flies 777's for Delta and he was recounting at a party the other night that his first experience with the 777. "The first time I ever stepped foot on a 777 was the first day I was scheduled to fly it." I asked him about this and he confirmed that all of his training to fly the 777 was all done in a simulator. Now granted I realize that it is not like the old days anymore where everyone ponies up thousands of dollars to go take a three-holer around for touch and goes and get your ATP ride but all flight training done on a sim prior to ever stepping on the actual aircraft? Wow.

It would seem to me this is breeding some sort of complacency and perhaps less actual "feel" of the plane by today’s pilots.

Thoughts?