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2nd Lieutenants- VERY INTERESTING READ

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MNU-OCS

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I dug this up over on Military.com it is an outstanding article:



By MGySgt Billy Stewart
Special to Henderson Hall News
Aug. 13, 2004

Imagine that you are hard at work in your shop or company area. The NCO in charge has every Marine focused and turned to. Suddenly, everything gets quiet. You could hear a pin drop. Every Marine stops and looks towards the hatch. Standing there with a briefcase stands a new 2nd Lieutenant dressed in the Service Alpha Uniform. The young officer is sporting two shooting badges and the National Defense Ribbon. The Lieutenant politely asks where the current officer-in-charge is, and makes his/her way to their office. Hence, the scuttlebutt begins.

The chatter sounds like a bunch of senior citizens at a bingo parlor (not that I don't like that sound). Everyone has something to say. First, there are the wise cracks, closely followed by comments like "does the lieutenant's mother know he's playing Marine?" or "The lieutenant looks like she is still in high school." Next, reality sets in, and the enlisted Marines begin to sweat profusely. All they can imagine is the constant running up and down an array of hills and trails in full combat gear, followed by a weapon's class, some type of PME, or a land navigation exercise. Over in the corner sits the Gunny with a glazed over stare. He knows what's in store for him. The new 2nd Lieutenant will bombard him with so many questions during the next year, he will think that he is a contestant on "Jeopardy." While this description is of the humorous nature, my experience tells me that most Marines do not know the value of 2nd Lieutenants and how much intestinal fortitude it takes to earn a commission as a Marine Officer. After you read my column, I believe you will think twice before taking a 2nd Lieutenant for granted.

I base my experience with 2nd Lieutenants from my personal career, but more so from a 4-year tour at Naval Reserve Officers Training Corps (NROTC), Iowa State University coupled with a subsequent cycle at Officer Candidates School (OCS). It was here that I served as the Assistant Marine Officer Instructor (AMOI), and as a Platoon Sergeant respectively. For those that do not know, a Platoon Sergeant at OCS is equivalent to a Senior Drill Instructor at enlisted recruit training. My responsibility as an AMOI entailed preparing midshipmen/candidates for commissioning, to successfully complete OCS, or better yet, putting them through OCS at Quantico during the summer months. So what? I am sure you're still wondering, what is so great about a 2nd Lieutenant? In my opinion, the best words to describe the average 2nd Lieutenant is "highly trained, mentally and physically hard, and extremely dedicated to making a difference." I will discuss and describe each of these adjectives and allow you to develop your own opinion about the mysterious "2nd Lieutenant."

Stating that a 2nd Lieutenant is highly trained would be a gross understatement. Marine Officers begin their careers with more training than any other officer in the United States Armed Forces. First and foremost, all 2nd Lieutenants have a 4-year college degree or are close to completing one. Some programs allow officers subsequent time to complete their degrees. Meeting an officer these days without a completed degree is very rare. In addition, officers must finish their bachelor's degree before they compete for augmentation. Aside from all officers commissioned at the United States Naval Academy, all 2nd Lieutenants have completed OCS. OCS is negotiated in a number of different ways. Depending on the commissioning program, the OCS evolution can be completed in one 10-week session, two 6-week sessions, or one 6-week session if coming from a NROTC Unit. Following OCS, all officers must attend The Officer Basic School (TBS) in Quantico. TBS is 6 months long and trains the 2nd Lieutenant in all aspects of being a Marine Corps Officer, and Rifle Platoon Commander. Finally, following TBS, the 2nd Lieutenants make their way to their respective MOS School. This could range from a 3-month average to well over a year if the Marine is attending flight school. This explains why pilots sometimes check in as 1st Lieutenants. So by the time you see that 2nd Lieutenant in your shop, close to one year of training has been invested. Highly trained? I think so. To successfully complete the training mentioned above, a 2nd Lieutenant must possess physical and mental toughness.

To compare the mental and physical requirements of Marine Recruit Training and OCS would be like comparing a five-mile run to a marathon. OCS is clearly more challenging than boot camp will ever be. That might disappoint some enlisted Marines, but it is true. Just ask any prior enlisted officer and they will confirm it. While I don't have enough time to describe every event during OCS, I can offer some key factors that will prove my opinion. Unlike boot camp, virtually all physical activity and training (PT) is conducted wearing combat boots and carrying some type of gear. This could range from full packs to load bearing vests, helmets, and rifles. About 75% of PT is done with a rifle. This presents one of the most challenging concepts, since all PT courses are built around combat conditioning and leadership.

If that isn't enough, OCS has been running their version of the crucible well before the enlisted version was ever thought about. The name of this event is the Small Unit Leader Evaluation II (SULE II). This is where every Marine in the squad is evaluated while giving an operational order and leading an assault. Sounds easy? This event last 2 days and is mostly up and down hills. The only break the candidates receive is the chance to run 4 miles every few hours down and back to the Leadership Reaction Course (LRC) to be evaluated solving team orientated obstacles. Of course, add in the normal sleep and food deprivation and you end up with an interesting quagmire. Are they mentally and physically tough? Again, I think so. Just think, after OCS, 2nd Lieutenants go to TBS and run the same type of PT courses for an additional six months. Although 2nd Lieutenants are tough, it is not my favorite quality. The reason I like 2nd Lieutenants is because of their dedication to making a difference.

When a 2nd Lieutenant checks in everything becomes new again. The basic Marine concepts are resurrected through the vigor of gold bars. Unlike the private, the 2nd Lieutenant has more opportunity to lead, set policy, and train the Marines under his or her charge. Most often, that is why each lieutenant joins the Marine Corps. The overriding of all of these reasons is the chance to lead and influence. The 2nd Lieutenant represents what the Commandant of the Marine Corps (CMC) wants in our leaders. The CMC desires warriors that are dedicated to lead and train Marines professionally, physically, mentally, tactically, and technically. Each 2nd Lieutenant has a fire burning inside of them to make a difference; a flame of dedication. They must possess it! How else could a Marine endure over a year's worth of intense training if they were lacking dedication? This is the reason why young officers desire the basics for their Marines. While each 2nd Lieutenant yearns to be technically proficient, they also know that developing Marines in other areas is paramount to achieving total success. We all could take a lesson from this. Their basic priorities should motivate and cause others to rededicate. I have yet to meet a 2nd Lieutenant that did not want to better the Corps through dedicated service.

I have told you what I like about 2nd Lieutenants. There is no way I could ever write everything I want to say about young officers in this article. However, I can say that they are our Corps' future, just as a Marine Private is. Both are the blood transfusion that keeps us alive and able to sustain. When your see young lieutenants, pick their brain a little. Ask them about "The Quigly, The Endurance Course, or Fartlek Hill." I'm sure you will receive an eager and heart felt explanation. Remember, 2nd Lieutenants are "highly trained, mentally and physically hard, and extremely dedicated to making a difference." Just take a moment to see what they are doing in support of Operation Enduring/Iraqi Freedom. If you challenge them, they won't need to step up, most will be waiting for you and chomping at the bit. I guarantee it.

Semper Fi.
 

Broadsword2004

Registered User
Hey, not to sound like a jerk, but on google I found a site comparing boot camp and ocs, titled something like, "Who Has it Tougher? Marines At Boot Camp or OCS?" It wasn't exactly, that, but it was something like it.

Anyhow, at it, some of the Marine OCS guys supposedly said that "OCS doesn't hold a candle to boot camp."

Just stating this cuz what you posted says to "ask any enlisted guy who attended OCS..." or something.

My OSO told me though that OCS is tougher than enlisted training.
 

MNU-OCS

Registered User
I didnt write this, it was written by a master gunnery sergeant, but i have read the same article you are talking about. But i still like the article.
 

Banjo33

AV-8 Type
pilot
OCS was tougher both physically and mentally. Mentally tougher due more to having "been there, done that" and having to suffer through it again. Although, I'm more proud of having gone to boot camp than to OCS. I think "the change" is more apparent on a Marine's return from boot than OCS as well.

I think the guy who wrote that article probably got in trouble for slapping some butter bar around and writing this was his punishment.
 

DocT

Dean of Students
pilot
Seriously...this was written by a Platoon Sergeant? I don't ever remember my staff being anywhere near this complimentary to our "friggin' nasty candidate bodies". This ode to the second lieutenant is way too nice. I guess I'm still waiting for the proverbial other shoe to drop like always seemed to do at ocs.
 

makoslim

Air candidate 188
The change in a young 18 year old is greater at boot camp. The reson you see less change in the OCS guys is because most are older, more travelled, and more mature (don't take this the wrong way, Im basing maturity on a "lived life" basis). Boot camp does amazing things for young men justgetting out into the world, and OCS does amazing things for men who already are in teh world. I have many friends who have gone through boot at CP, and a few that have gone through OCS, and from their explanations of teir training, I have to agree with the other guys who have posted on marineocs.com about this subject. You really can't compare the two, it's apples and oranges because they use very different methods. the only things you can say, is that OCS is physically more gruelling and you are expected to lead. Boot plays a little more of the mind game with recruits and you are expected to follow.

I did really like this artivle though, it's giving credit where credit is due.
 

The Chief

Retired
Contributor
MNU-OCS said:
I dug this up over on Military.com it is an outstanding article: ... Semper Fi.

Indeed an interesting article containing a lot of wisdom. Thanks for sharing.

i am not sure about the argument "Is bootcamp harder than OCS?" i believe you would have to define "harder/tougher/hold candle to" before you could get a meaningful answer. That argument is not unlike the argument of whether an apple or orange tastes better. But i do know about 2nd LT's, from experience, the article brought to mind Lt. Barnum.

i had the signal pleasure of knowing Lt H. Barnum, USMC, while serving with him at a small NavComSta in Hawaii. Barnum went to OCS, TSB, Artillery School, thence as OIC of our small gate guard force. Cushy job. He almost immediately volunteered to go to "Nam". I do remember the same type of chatter around the base of what was in store for him. Not very flattering.

To make a long story short, 2 weeks in country, Barnum was FO on a "search and destroy" mission, the Company CO, along with his radio operator were killed in a huge ambush. Lt. Barnum took command, most importantly completing the mission, but also safely extracted his men to a LZ under heavy fire. He was the last on onto the chopper. Many owe their lives to Lt. Barnum. For that action, he was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. The few, the proud.
 

Clux4

Banned
As a private you are disciplined ( Marine Corps definition of discipline is this:Instant and willing obedience to all orders). This was rang well into my medular oblongata by the D.I. I cannot even remember an instance where this was ever mentioned at OCS. Two different missions, one as leaders the other as followers. It takes alot to follow orders. Also remember that a good leader is a a good follower.
 

jarhead

UAL CA; retired hinge
pilot
my 2¢ ...

for me, i thought Parris Island was mentally tougher than my 10 week PLC experience, mainly because i was an 18 year old bag-o-sh1t when i went to boot camp, and i was already a Marine & knew what to expect, i.e. the little fck-fck games, when i went through OCS.

OCS was by far a greater physical challange for me, as i was a 27 year old bag-o-sh1t beer drinking 225 PFT college senior when i went to OCS ...

the greatest Mental challange for me at OCS was seeing my head get totally shaved, for the second time in my life, and praying that it would grow back, again ...

s/f
 
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