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You don't need to have your application for commission and security docs done by the time you take the ASTB. However, the earlier you get that stuff in, the better. The Navy is sloooowwww with paperwork, so just expect that. Has the ASTB changed where it takes 2 weeks to set up? When I took...

I was really damn slow when I got here, too. I was just trying to warn those about to come here that you won't be running the 1.5 mile run starting from rest.

If by enough you mean immediately following the quarter mile warmup "jog," then sure.

A drill instructor may come over and take away points and possibly zero you out. Since you can't get back up and do more after you put down a knee, you risk going to H. Simply put: there is no maxing out the pushups on the in-PFA, and you better not get slow before 1:30. I'm not saying that...

The biggest thing for the PFA is that I don't think most people practice properly for it. Pushups: must be done with knife hands, head looking forward. You must make 90 degree angles with your elbows. This makes a huge difference in the amount you can do. Also, there is no such thing as...

Painter's tape: aids precision stamps and insignia placement. Hairspray: ghetto starch You can obtain both at the NEX.

Hey, I was just saying how it is: most people here, by their own admission, do not shower every day. Shave/brush/wipe off with baby wipes yes, but not always shower.

So you're NOT the guy who went UA and tried to blame it on our class???

QFE on the form.

Now that I've actually been here, Scott is correct. One month's of toiletries is more than enough. The first week we got to shower maybe twice, and while you do need to be shaven every day, very few people shower every day. The second week we were beat every day during morning hygiene time, and...

I am not an OCS graduate, but have been instructed on the proper form by one last week: Pushups are to be done with "knife hands;" that is, all fingers and your thumb must be touching. Same goes for when the DI tells you to do diamond pushups -- hands must be knife hands (which is hard on the...

To be honest, I don't consider this workout "beating myself up." Biking is a very low-impact and relaxing exercise. Going 5 miles in 20-30 minutes with a decent resistance isn't tough unless you're a tub of lard. Additionally, like I said, if it concerns you that much then you can just cut a day...

Yea. Oops. Btw, I'm not talking about a little shaking. The sgt gave him quite a few bloody lips and noses. There's an old adage in martial arts that once you reach a certain level, there is no such thing as an accident.

Well, speaking of old timers, a retired Army officer friend of our families recanted a time where a sergeant was purposefully "rough" on him during physical force training. Didn't work out well for the sergeant.

So that whole "PRIVATE PILE, KNEEL DOWN AND CHOKE YOURSELF!" from FMJ is just Hollywood?

Thread resurrection: Should you bring 3 months worth of toiletries, or just enough for the immediate future? Do they let you in with 3 months worth?

Exactly. If you really need to rest your legs in this workout, just don't bike on one of the days. To be honest, though, I don't consider biking all that tough, and I did it in a way that wasn't all-out crazy. In all other aspects, I scheduled the workout to vary the muscle groups I was working...

Actually, it wouldn't be. There is no "correct" answer for this. The Navy doesn't accept people with reasons X and Y, and reject people with reasons of A and B. The board just wants to know why you want to be an officer, so tell them.

Um, the ideas have to come from you...it's your motivation. Some people post their essays here to get them edited for grammar and the like, but we can't tell you what to put in it. General questions you may want to answer are: -Why do you want to be an officer in the Navy? -What can you do...

Thanks guys...I already did kick ass on my next PRT, so I'm headed to OCS very soon. This workout definitely got me there, so I decided to share it. None of these workout days should take more than 1.5 hours to complete, btw. I know it looks long and complicated, but it's really not. Yea...

Okay, I'm a bit ashamed of this, but I failed my pre-OCS PRT run last week despite being able to nearly max pushups and not having any trouble with situps, either. Combination of lack of training with feeling like shit. But, with the help of the running program the coordinator gave me + some of...

I actually know what the lacing looks like, but I'm not going to do that before the time comes because I figure that there's no point in trying to beat the system. To quote a friend who went to VMI: "The military loves to punish you for failing at a task which you had no way of knowing how...

Well, I intend to go in there and give it my all regardless, because I don't want to roll out anyway. I wasn't going to use that as an excuse to slack off or anything. Good to know, though.

I was under the impression that the only way to attrite was to DOR or to break one of the rules that aren't meant to be broken. Are there a limited number of chances you get to pass RLP, too?

My face is reddish to begin with, and any sort of half-strenuous workout turns my face into the color of an apple. It's just the way my complexion is. I've never had heatstroke, and the only time I came close to passing out during a workout is when I decided to do deadlifts with a fever (not a...

The DIs can roll you just for looking red in the face?

One little tidbit of advice I'm going to pass on that I just got from a newly commissioned Ensign who drilled it into our heads: all this stuff is great for increasing strength, but practice situps and push ups specifically to make sure your form is PERFECT. And not perfect as in the Navy PRT...

So what was the court's decision?

I haven't graduated OCS yet, but I do think that weights are a great way to improve fitness performance. I lift regularly, and like you pushups are my strongest category. As long as you tweak the workout to strength and endurance (moderate amount of reps with short rest between sets or even...

DSL, officially your commissioning source has 0 bearing on career advancement. Furthermore, one can retire after 20 years in the service, which is around O-5. There are more than enough threads on these boards saying that those who stay in tend to make O-4 quite easily barring any major fuckups...

So what is the "correct" response to being asked that question?

Plenty of people get into OCS, ROTC, and the Academy without personally knowing a flag officer, or any officer at all for that matter.

Thanks for the heads up. I actually bought a new pair of "go-fasters" about 2 months ago, and they feel great during running.

That's comforting. I've been running a lot, but I'm still a slow bastard so at least the footwear will be ok.

GI bill?

Is the in-PRT conducted in sneakers or boots?

The things you guys are saying are all valid, but I don't think they refute anything I listed on why getting recruits is an issue these days. You have joe schmo high school graduate who's faced with a decision: join the military, go to work, or go to college/trade school. If he goes to work...

Since I have no idea what you mean by that, I'll take it as a compliment :D

Right, but this just feeds the stigma that recruiters are trying to trick applicants into signing up for the military, and ultimately hurts staffing.

Perhaps not, but isn't there something wrong with expecting recruits to do supplemental internet research under the assumption that the recruiter WILL lie to him? Some guys go recruiters actually expecting to be told the truth.

You're still misunderstanding me: I know that there are advantages to and reasons for enlisting. I also know that people still decide to take up these jobs. However, the fact is that enlistment is declining, and all I was addressing are some of the myriad of reasons why this is so. I don't...

For non-college grads, you are correct. However, read what I said about a much higher percentage of people earning college degrees. There simply is very little incentive for someone with a college degree already to enlist unless they really, really want to be a trigger puller. Not that there's...

Haubby, the operational word in my statement was PARTIALLY. There are some recruiters who lie, there are some that don't. I think my recruiter did a great job of informing me what to expect and putting me in contact with other people who could answer any questions that he couldn't. This site has...

There are so many reasons for a lack of recruits, though... -Unpopular war in Iraq -Low pay compared to the civilian side with much less autonomy over your life -Much more people are attending college out of high school these days -College degree with decent grades makes you eligible to...

Listen, if I were in their shoes, I'd be upset about the situation, too. It sucks that we don't have enough manning to let these guys out after four years and take it easy during the reserve time. But unfortunately, no one can instantaneously expand the Army and Marine Corps. I also have a...

But being a vet doesn't guaruntee the person would try to institute sound policy. Not being a vet doesn't guaruntee the person would try to institute unsound policy. Besides, most elected officials, especially the President, have advisors with advanced degrees in specialized fields. Granted...

But is that done before or after the person enlists? If it's done after, it's not a sure thing and the OP should be prepared to start as an E-3.

If your true goal is to be an officer, this is the best advice. If you don't care either way, then go ahead and enlist. Besides, isn't E-5 ---> E-1 a huge paycut? Or can you retain enlisted rank if you switch services?

What's next, telling you that talking to the officer recruiter required a MEPS physical and some signed paperwork? Then by the time you realize you're headed straight for bootcamp after that physical, it'll be too late. It's guys like this that give groups like Code Pink ammunition. Btw, are...