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Who determines whether someone is flying as pilot or Co Pilot?

mad dog

***liter of dunkin***
pilot
Contributor
#47
You were designated on the schedule and signed for the aircraft. You probably were current on something the Skipper/XO wasn't and they needed to gain currency haha.
That's exactly what it was...lack of currency (for something) on their part. Our LAMPS Skippers/XOs did a lot of office time ashore and didn't deploy...we deployed with DET OICs who were either LCDRs or senior LTs.
 

Treetop Flyer

Well-Known Member
pilot
#48
Except that is is.
Nah. They could try, hypothetically. The idea that some general is going to tell me to do something I know shouldn't be done (because 3710) is ludicrous. If a general tries to tell me to do something unsafe or stupid, I'm not going to quote an instruction and hope to survive unscathed, I'm going to tell him to sit down and shut up. Like I said, it's not an option available to them.
 

BACONATOR

Well-Known Member
pilot
Contributor
#49
Nah. They could try, hypothetically. The idea that some general is going to tell me to do something I know shouldn't be done (because 3710) is ludicrous. If a general tries to tell me to do something unsafe or stupid, I'm not going to quote an instruction and hope to survive unscathed, I'm going to tell him to sit down and shut up. Like I said, it's not an option available to them.
It's like letting ATC vector you into a mountain... yeah... I'll take that violation, thanks.
 

RHINOWSO

"Yeah, we are going to need to see that one again"
None
#54
:D:D:D

Never understood why .mil helos need two pilots, or why it's called a 'solo' in the HTs with 2 studs flying by themselves...?
 

Pags

Well-Known Member
pilot
#55
:D:D:D

Never understood why .mil helos need two pilots, or why it's called a 'solo' in the HTs with 2 studs flying by themselves...?
Somewhere between "we've always done it this way" and "backup in case the other guy gets zapped when the back is full of grunts."
 

jmcquate

Well-Known Member
Contributor
#56
Who knew that this would devolve into GIB bashing/rotary right seat bashing, with what I think I can state with an amount of certainty, was an OP question that was mentally challenged. The best answer would have been........we wrestle for it.
 

RHINOWSO

"Yeah, we are going to need to see that one again"
None
#58
Some of them don't! I have plenty of solo time in my log book.
I've heard about such pilots flying -58s in Desert Storm.
Somewhere between "we've always done it this way" and "backup in case the other guy gets zapped when the back is full of grunts."
Ok, that makes sense for the Army and Marines. What's the Navy's excuse? ;)
 

RHINOWSO

"Yeah, we are going to need to see that one again"
None
#59
Who knew that this would devolve into GIB bashing/rotary right seat bashing, with what I think I can state with an amount of certainty, was an OP question that was mentally challenged. The best answer would have been........we wrestle for it.
Yeah, it is a semi retarded question asked by a future 'intel' officer, no doubt.

But a little rattling of each other's cages is never a bad thing, unless someone gets sand in their drawers... in which case, it's time to REALLLY pile it on... :D
 

Randy Daytona

Cold War Relic
pilot
Super Moderator
#60
I've heard about such pilots flying -58s in Desert Storm.

Ok, that makes sense for the Army and Marines. What's the Navy's excuse? ;)
My guess is it is a manufacturer's thing. Correct me if I am wrong but the Sikorsky's and Boeing's above 12,500 lbs are designed for 2 pilots. The Bells, all originally designed for less than 12,500 (but growth has pushed some of them above 12,500) still retain the single pilot designation - but for IFR require 2 pilots due to stabilization concerns. Again, that is a guess.

As for flight students, I think that OPNAV states you can't sign for a helicopter until you have 500 hours flight time - putting 2 students in the helo might be a workaround. Again, paging Jim123 for an answer....