COVID-19

[FinkUFreaky]

No offense to Maxillarious, as I don't know his intentions, and he hasn't tried to sell anything yet... And I don't know him from Jack... Just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Sadly wouldn't be the first time I've seen NAs trying to sell their "secret wisdom" to others.

 

[wink]

Cool. What have you done to personally prepare yourself and your family for this event?

Genuinely curious.

Nothing short of cleaning my guns. If the economy tanks it will be because of fear mongering and static analysis like you have been promoting. See you on the other side.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

What does everyone think of sending money directly to people?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...rt-of-stimulus-package/ar-BB11jcaH?li=BBnb7Kz

I believe this could benefit some people, myself I don't need it and hope there would be a good way to ensure those that get it truly do need it.

 

[Swanee]

What does everyone think of sending money directly to people?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...rt-of-stimulus-package/ar-BB11jcaH?li=BBnb7Kz

I believe this could benefit some people, myself I don't need it and hope there would be a good way to ensure those that get it truly do need it.

Well. Anecdotally- the live entertainment community is in a world of shit right now. There are a myriad of reasons why- most people would say, "well they should have prepared for something like this." Fuck them, the President of the United States of America didn't prepare for this, why would a guy who runs a soundboard for concerts and makes 50 grand a year plan for this?

Many of my friends are legitimately worried about homelessness. If the show doesn't happen they don't get paid. The hours of prep work, of design planning, of rehearsals, they're all for free if the show doesn't happen. We're cancelling at the cyclic rate. And these guys don't moonlight as investment bankers, they moonlight as bartenders, or in their own bands and theater shows. Or they are contractors, temp workers. IE- people who don't have very good benefits and protections in our society.

My wife and I have offered up our guest room and couches. My company has weathered pretty well thus far, but depending on how deep this rabbit hole goes, we're looking at drastic measures to ensure we've got jobs on the backside. And depending on how deep this goes, and circumstances of life right now- (I have a house being built in Michigan- we're supposed to close in May/June, and my lease is up at the end of May and my landlord wants me out) I'm looking at a potentially bad scenario myself.

My guard unit can only do so much for me during a travel ban.

So yeah, sending money directly to the people who need it is the right call. Fuck the middle man- who takes a percentage off the top and delays it getting to where it needs to go. And I'm willing to say that the fraud that will exist is worth it.

 

[wink]

Here's what is going to have to happen (JMHO, YMMV)

We #$%-ed up and let the cat out of the bag, and got beyond the point where individual quarantine and contact tracing could keep jack in his box. So now we have to shut it all down until we can put the transmission rate R0 below 1, and let exponential decay do its magic. Weather the storm. This will take some time, but China has done it.

This is what you get when second and third order effects and improvements in vaccine/treatment are ignored.

Some locales are in "burn down the village to save it" territory. We do not need that nationally.

 

[Spekkio]

It very much feels like the Navy has its head in the sand on this one and I fear for the consequences.

'The Navy' is following the minimal to moderate workplace risk guidelines put out by the CDC, because the infection rate and health risks to the population of 18-45 year olds fits that definition. There's a pamphlet on the CDC's website if you're interested.

People who fall into higher risk categories as defined by the CDC need to coordinate with their chains of commands to get put on time off. People with loved ones at home who are high risk have to make a personal decision on how to manage that.

 

[Spekkio]

$%^& you!

I could be heading out (on orders) within the next 24 hours to man a drive through testing site. I'm not over 60, but am closing in on it. Maybe I should tell anyone under 50 to bugger off when they come in to be tested. Cool with you?

Well, as people keep saying... this isn't about you. Sorry you're part of the 0.5%.

 

[HAL Pilot]

So I saw both my primary care doctor for my annual physical/diabetes check and my FAA doctor for my class 1 medical today. Both think the panic mentality surrounding COVID-19 is ridiculous. Both take the illness seriously but say the standard precautions you take for a flu (if you are doing it right) are the same as the precautions for COVID-19. Anyone with flu symptoms should have been staying home and self-quarantining for years. They also agree that the only people really at risk are the elderly and others with heart or respiratory problems. Both said that as the flu/pneumonia season passes, the cases will drop dramatically and that by next year, the flu vaccine will probably cover COVID-19 too.

My FAA doctor is elderly and has been practicing medicine for 45-50 years. He say 10 years ago COVID-19 would not have even been a blip on the radar and just thought of as a "rather severe flue season".

Both say this is no more deadly than any other pneumonia and the treatment is the same.

Both say while this is a serious medical condition, the over hype by the media has made this way more "scary" than it should be and has made their job more difficult. They both agreed the over hype has caused more problems than there should be.

Both said that as test roll out we'll see a huge spike in U.S. cases but within the next 4-6 weeks as the weather warms and flu/pneumonia season ends, there will be just as dramatic of a drop in cases.

Meme time!

 

[Spekkio]

Maybe you and all the people you know should have had a plan to not go homeless in a month, if shit went south.

Maybe you should be sensitive to your 80-85th percentile income that still flows if you get told to stay home, and that the majority of the US population aren't in the same economic situation as you.

It's one thing to preach saving, it's another to do it on a median $60k ish household income supporting 3 people.

Suggesting a Eugenics public health policy seems draconian...and that's assuming you're assumptions on the numbers and age groups are correct.

Seriously. Does Spekkio even have parents? Or grandparents? Or an aunt or an uncle or something? Good God. I don’t wish homelessness on anyone, but to be homeless, you have to first not be fucking dead. One of these conditions is not permanent. The other is.

Not to mention “at risk” doesn’t just mean “elderly.” News flash: when you’re out in the private sector, not all of your colleagues have to pass a PHA. I’ve got a couple of really cool co-workers who also happen to have autoimmune disorders. Should they just be collateral damage, too?

Nice strawmen.

It's possible to have a public policy that tells retired and chronically ill people to stay at home and avoid contact with others without shutting down the entire nation.

Yes I have elderly family members. They're staying home, which has minimal impact on anyone other than themselves because they are retired.

But this isn't about me, or my personal family situation. This is about all 300+ million people in America who are being negatively impacted by reactionary and excessive policies.

We're talking about somewhere between 0.1 and 3% of the population (the fact we don't test someone unless they are seriously ill muddies this number with selection bias) who could die. There should be an order of magnitude increase in death rate before we consider shutting down the country.

Once upon a time people we regard as heroes ordered a frontal amphibious assault with much more dire casualty rates.

 

[blackcoffeeandadanish]

I wonder how this will affect PLC/OCC dates, so far, the word from my OSO is that everything will go on as planned but who knows since this situation seems to be changing so quickly.

 

[taxi1]

MOBs coming, I predict, but not for us. for medical guys.

Navy med staff weenies going to get the medals while us URL huddle in our bunkers like fobbits.

So I saw both my primary care doctor for my annual physical/diabetes check and my FAA doctor for my class 1 medical today.

I'm tempted to get my medical early, just so I can get my doc's opinion. He is a grizzled twice over former flight surgeon, full of opinions.

Mildly off topic, but I got him a Navy and Marine Corps Medal 40 years after the fact. He was telling me about some heroics he had done instead of examining me like I was paying him to, and said he was supposed to get a medal, but left town and never received it. Wish'd he had. I went on the Navy Awards website, and there it was! Made the local news. I got referenced as "one of the pilots I examined".

https://www.centredaily.com/living/article67007177.html

 

[BarryD]

I wonder how this will affect PLC/OCC dates, so far, the word from my OSO is that everything will go on as planned but who knows since this situation seems to be changing so quickly.

Same can be said for OCS (PLC-Seniors), Summer Cruise, etc . . .

My school went from 'be aware of this thing' to 'no classes for a few weeks post spring break' to 'no classes for the rest of the semester and get out of on-campus residences' in about the course of a week.

Semper Gumby

 

[Treetop Flyer]

A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data

A fiasco in the making? As the #coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data.

www.statnews.com

A different viewpoint than most of what is circulating in the media

 

[Sonog]

So I saw both my primary care doctor for my annual physical/diabetes check and my FAA doctor for my class 1 medical today. Both think the panic mentality surrounding COVID-19 is ridiculous. Both take the illness seriously but say the standard precautions you take for a flu (if you are doing it right) are the same as the precautions for COVID-19. Anyone with flu symptoms should have been staying home and self-quarantining for years. They also agree that the only people really at risk are the elderly and others with heart or respiratory problems. Both said that as the flu/pneumonia season passes, the cases will drop dramatically and that by next year, the flu vaccine will probably cover COVID-19 too.

My FAA doctor is elderly and has been practicing medicine for 45-50 years. He say 10 years ago COVID-19 would not have even been a blip on the radar and just thought of as a "rather severe flue season".

Both say this is no more deadly than any other pneumonia and the treatment is the same.

Both say while this is a serious medical condition, the over hype by the media has made this way more "scary" than it should be and has made their job more difficult. They both agreed the over hype has caused more problems than there should be.

Both said that as test roll out we'll see a huge spike in U.S. cases but within the next 4-6 weeks as the weather warms and flu/pneumonia season ends, there will be just as dramatic of a drop in cases.

Meme time!

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With all due respect, your FAA doctor was shooting sunshine up your ass.

The big difference and why this isn't an overreaction is there is a vaccine for flu but there is nothing for covid-19. There is nothing to stop the spread and the mortality rate is 10 times that of the flu. What we see in flu season is with herd immunity working for us. The vast majority of people therefore don't get the flu. There are other big differences in incubation times and an extremely large range of symptoms from asymptomatic to severe.

Hopefully all of this mitigation works and the virus peaks next month and you can requote people like me and say "see, told you this was a media job"

 

[blackcoffeeandadanish]

Same can be said for OCS (PLC-Seniors), Summer Cruise, etc . . .

My school went from 'be aware of this thing' to 'no classes for a few weeks post spring break' to 'no classes for the rest of the semester and get out of on-campus residences' in about the course of a week.

Semper Gumby

Yes, my school followed the same order of events.