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Rand study on USAF pilot retention

Hotdogs

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He will probably say that he knows JOs that are staying in, but not in a tone indicating the reality that they are the vastly overwhelming exception.

There are no doubt dudes who have taken it. However it’s a programmatic systems issue caused by sequestration. We under produced Hornet pilots due to sequestration effects on production, and consequently Hornet readiness. That resulted in not enough Hornet pilots and those that did stay got stuck with low flight hours, lack of T&R progression, and constant maintenance and admin inspection cycles. You can spin 6/8 or 10/12 pilots (...generous from my anecdotal experience) as a ~78% take rate, but that’s not the true story. What it really means is that the Corps only retained 6-8 pilots of the 25-30 that it already needed to sustain Hornet manpower for the next decade. Not including factors relating economic attrition.

So to have a USAF General tout it as a potential success is misleading and not accurate. I applaud his effort to be transparent and open, but the real story is in the details. Brett probably did meet those guys, but given Brett’s position it was probably Hornet WTI/Topgun grads who got flight hours dumped into them and rode hard as the squadron bid for success due to DRRS and deployment requirements. Not a dig at those pilots, but combined with sequestration effects - it had a disastrous effect on retention.
 

Brett327

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I don't have a position here. Just illustrating that my anecdotes, or yours, aren't particularly useful. We're all aware of what's going on.
 

Hotdogs

I don’t care if I hurt your feelings
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I don't have a position here. Just illustrating that my anecdotes, or yours, aren't particularly useful. We're all aware of what's going on.

Neither is a flag officer using uninformed statistics while communicating to his pilots.
 
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Swanee

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So everyone will simply resign, execute their EAS and then join the AF effective the next day.

Really all this does is take away the ability to threaten an IST package to the monitor if they don't give you the orders you want.

If your commitment to the Marine Corps is up, they can't make you stay.

Edit: just don't take the devil's money on the 2nd P and get stuck in the USMC IRR for 3 years...
 

Treetop Flyer

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So everyone will simply resign, execute their EAS and then join the AF effective the next day.

Really all this does is take away the ability to threaten an IST package to the monitor if they don't give you the orders you want.

If your commitment to the Marine Corps is up, they can't make you stay.
It hurts a lot of twice passed guys.
 

Swanee

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It hurts a lot of twice passed guys.
Yeah. Though, there is a waiver for that in the ANG. You just have to be willing to wait for the paperwork to come back.

And of course, every dude who dropped an IST will get 2P'd, as the fact that tried to leave is a matter of record.

You can't leave, but we won't promote you as punishment for you trying to leave. 'Rah.
 

Hotdogs

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Interesting. This could just result in more resignations and exacerbate the situation. Instead of working an IST while staying in their current billet, and potentially getting turned down by another service’s board process that may result in the Marine staying in the Corps.... Marines will just drop their papers as early as possible. Meaning the potential for follow on orders or extensions goes right out the window. Not to mention the sour taste it will leave in everyone’s minds. This is the same service that did not pay the max aviation incentive pay compared to other services as well.
 

RedFive

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Perhaps not publicized, but the Navy is also refusing to give pilots conditional releases, or so say multiple peers trying to jump to the Coasties.
 
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