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17 Sept 2018 IWC DCO Board

Chance_EDO

Still a Pollywog, not yet a Shellback
I don't think it's possible to switch Lol. But seriously take the Commission or you'll never get another chance, at least in the IWC. Best community hands down in the USN. It still hasn't fully sunk in that this is really happening!

Wise words bro! My ex is Army and Police Officer. Got to go to cool bases to do the annual training for Reserves and showed me various guns so I was always super envious of that.
But now I get to serve my country too. It hasn’t sunk in for me too!
 

Chance_EDO

Still a Pollywog, not yet a Shellback
Rough process...
Im new to this process too. But the phone call was to let you know the board selected you. Then they start the scoll process through approval from DOD, was approved millington will sent a Final Select letter basically saying you can commission. The commission docs are then put together by your OR/NRD to sign and get to it!

Bryan, thanks bro!

I hope it won’t take 2 weeks or more to get my letter. I can’t wait to start drilling and will be free in a few weeks to drill (if they will let me).
 

bryanteagle6

Well-Known Member
I think the timeline right now is like 8-12 weeks. Im not expecting commission and/or my first DWE until JAN. If it goes earlier than that....bonus. probably a good chance to be later
 

Chance_EDO

Still a Pollywog, not yet a Shellback
Im pretty sure you can do tradesies like on the playground! ha

Maybe you should call the Army based on your picture - do they have EDO type Branch?

Bryan, thanks bro!
Nah, the pic is of me taken by my ex (who is Army) when we went to the range. Taught to shoot bigger caliber guns. Lots of fun.

But seriously, Army doesn’t have the opportunity for Shipbuilding Engineering that the Navy EDO opportunity has.
 

jagM3

Member
@bubblehead, Bryan and HairWarrior, thank you so much!

I really appreciate your nice explanations.

I want to serve but sadly, my employer will have a problem with me serving. I do not know if I can accept the commission for IP as my employer frankly said he can deal with the time away for EDO (2 weeks each time) but he cannot deal with the 26 weeks needed for the IP role.
I feel stressed as I do not want to lose my job.
Dude, that's illegal and your employer doesn't have a choice. Unless you're an emergency essential key government employee, your employer can't say anything about it to you and even the slightest hint of retribution will be a serious USERRA violation. A company up in the Dakota's was recently fined $30 million for violating USERRA. Accept the commission and if you have an issue with your employer, your command can assist and even serve to educate your employer -- but they won't have a choice.
 

jagM3

Member
24 months is about as fast as possible to earn both 3I1 and GC0. It takes most people 30-40 months.
You can do it in 12 months if you are dedicated and push your NIFR Region into finding money to support the training -- I did.

Commissioned, went to DCOIC the following month, completed NIOBC Phase 1 during about 6-8 months of reskeds, went to NIOBC Phase 2 on ADT funding in month #11. In the process, was getting sign offs for both PQS every week and completed both PQS boards before hitting my 1 year mark as an ENS.
 

jagM3

Member
I think the timeline right now is like 8-12 weeks. Im not expecting commission and/or my first DWE until JAN. If it goes earlier than that....bonus. probably a good chance to be later
It should not take 8-12 weeks unless the Navy has decided to spread out new accessions commissions throughout the FY up until the next board. Congress votes every two weeks on all new commissions and military promotions and its pro forma -- therefore, it should take no longer than 3 weeks. Anything longer than that and someone at the NRD is dragging their feet.
 

jagM3

Member
You just got selected. I would not speak a word of designator change to anyone because you'll quickly be labeled, "that guy" buy both the Intel community and your fellow Intel O's. As I mentioned previously, your business is your business and you have to keep your cards close. Changing also requires the manning numbers for your current designator as well as the designator to which you want to change to be "right" at the rank you are at. Last time I checked IP manning was at or above 100% from O1 - O3.
I agree, to an extent. Do not under any circumstance tell your fellow 1835s or anyone in your own community you want to re-designate because there is just no reason to do so and it can only damage your reputation early on -- however I would strongly encourage you to contact the community manager of the community you wish to re-designate to in order to inquire, express your interest, find out the process and exactly when you can apply for re-designation, and explain your circumstance that makes you eminently qualified for that community. I didn't want to be an 1835 or be part of the IDC (I guess its called the IWC now, I can't keep up), I wanted to be a FAO (1715) and the second I commissioned I contacted the FAO community manager, expressed my interest, and he asked that I send him a resume, which I did. He was pleased and helped me out. Didn't matter that I was a two-day old Ensign. Its your career and in the reserves you are the only one who manages it, no one else. If you don't want to be an 1835 or whatever, that's fine, no one will fault you for wanting to serve somewhere else in the Navy especially if you're already qualified to serve there as a civilian engineer, IT guy, or something of the sort. Keep in mind that re-designating inside the same community (i.e. 1835 to 1825) is a vastly different process than re-designating to a new community (i.e. 1835 to 1715). From my experience, it is easier to re-designate OUTSIDE of the IDC than it is to re-designate from within, because you will have a community manager of a different community effectively serving as an advocate for you to the IDC.
 

jagM3

Member
@bubblehead I am very excited for INTEL - 1835 but I'm thinking about doing a change of designator to IP after I complete my required training. From your experience, how long do you think it will take to be eligible to apply for the change of designator?
Call up the community manager and ask. I don't believe there is any rule or regulation that says you must qualify in your current designator before re-designating. If you're already eminently qualified, then it would be a waste of the Navy's time to have you spend years qualifying in one designator just to be eligible to re-designate. IDC community manager can help, is very approachable, and will lay out the ground truth for you. Good luck.
 

jagM3

Member
24 months is about as fast as possible to earn both 3I1 and GC0. It takes most people 30-40 months.
You can do it in 12 months if you are dedicated and push your NIFR Region into finding money to support the training -- I did.

Commissioned, spent 12 underwhelming days at DCOIC the following month, completed NIOBC Phase 1 during about 6-8 months of reskeds back when it wasn't some 5 week long formal course, went to NIOBC Phase 2 on ADT funding in month #11. In the process, was getting sign offs for both PQS every week and completed both PQS boards before hitting my 1 year mark as an ENS.

Some people will tell you there is no incentive to completing everything quickly and I fundamentally disagree with this line of thinking. First, quality of life being in a never ending training status absolutely sucks. 3-5 years of this? Dear god man, that's basically 25% of your whole reserve career assuming you make it to 20. You don't want that. Second, being in a training status limits your ability to do your job as a Naval Officer -- its like having a MAS code and being medically disqualified to do anything but show up. Third, the training in the IWC is so broad, so big picture, so high level strategic, that very little of it has any bearing on what your daily job will actually be on a mobilization and you will still have the relatively same learning curve. Fourth, if you're a busy guy like me, you don't have time to spend YEARS training and having no flexibility in your life.

The training is easy. None of it is hard. Whether you have prior exposure or not, its all easy and underwhelming. The only "incentive" i've actually seen is fellow Naval Officers dragging their feet and waiting until the last possible day to complete their required training for one reason: Because having a training MAS code means you CAN'T MOBILIZE. That's the incentive i've seen and probably 75% of people who know this have taken advantage of it. The Navy should reduce the 3/5 year limit to 24 months. Trim the fat.
 
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Chance_EDO

Still a Pollywog, not yet a Shellback
I agree, to an extent. Do not under any circumstance tell your fellow 1835s or anyone in your own community you want to re-designate because there is just no reason to do so and it can only damage your reputation early on -- however I would strongly encourage you to contact the community manager of the community you wish to re-designate to in order to inquire, express your interest, find out the process and exactly when you can apply for re-designation, and explain your circumstance that makes you eminently qualified for that community. I didn't want to be an 1835 or be part of the IDC (I guess its called the IWC now, I can't keep up), I wanted to be a FAO (1715) and the second I commissioned I contacted the FAO community manager, expressed my interest, and he asked that I send him a resume, which I did. He was pleased and helped me out. Didn't matter that I was a two-day old Ensign. Its your career and in the reserves you are the only one who manages it, no one else. If you don't want to be an 1835 or whatever, that's fine, no one will fault you for wanting to serve somewhere else in the Navy especially if you're already qualified to serve there as a civilian engineer, IT guy, or something of the sort. Keep in mind that re-designating inside the same community (i.e. 1835 to 1825) is a vastly different process than re-designating to a new community (i.e. 1835 to 1715). From my experience, it is easier to re-designate OUTSIDE of the IDC than it is to re-designate from within, because you will have a community manager of a different community effectively serving as an advocate for you to the IDC.

Jag, thank you. Can this apply to me? I’m selected for IP but all my applications and LOR is for EDO.

Are the chances better doing a lateral transfer (IP to apply for transfer to EDO) or the chances better by turning down the commission, waitinh until the board and applying directly as a non prior service civilian to an EDO role?
 

USNAVY

Active Member
Call up the community manager and ask. I don't believe there is any rule or regulation that says you must qualify in your current designator before re-designating. If you're already eminently qualified, then it would be a waste of the Navy's time to have you spend years qualifying in one designator just to be eligible to re-designate. IDC community manager can help, is very approachable, and will lay out the ground truth for you. Good luck.
Thank you. I think for now I am going to focus on getting Commissioned and get to my unit and "learn the ropes" of being a Naval Officer.
 

jagM3

Member
Jag, thank you. Can this apply to me? I’m selected for IP but all my applications and LOR is for EDO.

Are the chances better doing a lateral transfer (IP to apply for transfer to EDO) or the chances better by turning down the commission, waitinh until the board and applying directly as a non prior service civilian to an EDO role?
Brother, you need to talk to the EDO community manager and explain your situation. I don't know what EDO commission selection rates are. I wouldn't turn down the commission, but I would contact the EDO community manager ASAP and see what he has to say. I'll try and find the contact info for you.
 

jagM3

Member
Thank you. I think for now I am going to focus on getting Commissioned and get to my unit and "learn the ropes" of being a Naval Officer.
You have enough Navy experience from being prior enlisted to know the ropes man, you're good...follow your dreams and apply for that 1825 redesignation asap if that's what you want to do. There won't be any hurt feelings at your unit and a conversation with the community it manager to learn the unvarnished truth rather than a bunch of sea lawyers at your unit is a good way to go. Who knows, he could say yeah, we can redesignate you tomorrow and they just select one less IP on the next board and one more 1835 to makeup the difference.
 
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