Great video, but man, those things were tired at the end of life - start the night with 6 x FMC and finish with 6 x NMC, almost every night.expanding a dedicated CSAR all weather platform - complete opposite of what the Navy did.
good point!!! Post Vietnam the Navy went full bore to core fleet defense (F-14A) and inner and outer zone ASW (S-3 Viking, LAMPS SH-2 and LAMPS SH-60)Great video, but man, those things were tired at the end of life - start the night with 6 x FMC and finish with 6 x NMC, almost every night.
As for the divergence in capability development, USN was working on things like LAMPS and AQS-13 to handle submarines.
Deja vu?
Old farts correct me if I'm wrong. But post-Vietnam, wasn't the CSG (well, CVBG) posited to be blue-water supporting REFORGER and the Second Battle of the Atlantic? You don't need an overland CSAR capability to fish some Tomcat crew who got schwacked by an AA-10 or a Backfire tailgunner out of the North Atlantic. I mean, there was El Dorado Canyon and the strikes in to Lebanon/Syria, but was that doctrinally what we equipped the Fleet for in the 80s? The game wasn't overland strike until the 1990s brought Desert Storm, the no-fly zones, and Allied Force, yes?good point!!! Post Vietnam the Navy went full bore to core fleet defense (F-14A) and inner and outer zone ASW (S-3 Viking, LAMPS SH-2 and LAMPS SH-60)
Wasn’t going to write a post just like this. Red Storm Rising is probably a decent guess as to how USN forces would’ve been used. And while there’s tremendous value to ensuring you have methods in place to retrieving downed aviators, you don’t need super CSAR capabilities for over water recovery. Recovery could be done by small boys, subs, helos, etc.Old farts correct me if I'm wrong. But post-Vietnam, wasn't the CSG (well, CVBG) posited to be blue-water supporting REFORGER and the Second Battle of the Atlantic? You don't need an overland CSAR capability to fish some Tomcat crew who got schwacked by an AA-10 or a Backfire tailgunner out of the North Atlantic. I mean, there was El Dorado Canyon and the strikes in to Lebanon/Syria, but was that doctrinally what we equipped the Fleet for in the 80s? The game wasn't overland strike until the 1990s brought Desert Storm, the no-fly zones, and Allied Force, yes?
If you drop enough sonar buoys in there then it's possible to walk the entire way without getting your feet wet.+1 - As a Midshipman, we were taught Greenland, Iceland, UK gap blue water combat scenario doctrine.
Looks like Clancy is having quite the renaissance.If you drop enough sonar buoys in there then it's possible to walk the entire way without getting your feet wet.
I always giggle when I read the part in Red Storm Rising where the P-3 crew had a Harpoon malfunction. So true to life, even 2 decades later.
Old farts correct me if I'm wrong. But post-Vietnam, wasn't the CSG (well, CVBG) posited to be blue-water supporting REFORGER and the Second Battle of the Atlantic? You don't need an overland CSAR capability to fish some Tomcat crew who got schwacked by an AA-10 or a Backfire tailgunner out of the North Atlantic.
Went out last night to watch the Big 10 Championship game with a buddy who's high up in JPRC and asked him about this. He said the CVW rotary asset lack of in-air re-fueling capability is a major factor.