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V-22 escort??

jmcquate

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It reminds me of the ORCA for anyone who remembers playing Command & Conquer (great game):
Still have it. Can't get it to run on Windows 10.

Wonder how the Plopter drivers feel about robots on their wing?
 

Swanee

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Well, after 10 years it looks like the Marines is trying to get money in the 2018 budget to actually start developing the MUX (MAGTF Unmanned eXpeditionary) armed VTOL UAV about the size of the MQ-9 Reaper to 'escort' V-22's. And they want it to be ready in 10 years. I am curious how well UAV's will do 'escorting' V-22's, UAV's are ubiquitous over the battlefield now but they haven't really been used in an aircraft escort role yet and they don't usually operate well in contested environments. I am curious what the Marines on the board think.

The idea is that you'd have the option to fly it from a station inside the Osprey (kind of how Apache guys are doing it with Shadow only with a dedicated UAV crew). I'm not sure how well that would work, but I'd be willing to give it a shot.
 

zippy

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The idea is that you'd have the option to fly it from a station inside the Osprey (kind of how Apache guys are doing it with Shadow only with a dedicated UAV crew). I'm not sure how well that would work, but I'd be willing to give it a shot.

The risk of having a successful VTOL robot that can do armed escort/CAS will be that it further challenges the "need" of the Marine Corps to have manned VTOL tacair assets like the Harrier and F35, which is already somewhat questionable in today's joint combat environment.

A robot that can carry a couple bombs, launch with the V-22s and provide the loiter time for a mission period on target without large gaps in ISR/ weapons employment coverage and doesn't need to hit a tanker multiple times during an Op would probably be cheaper than a JSF per copy, especially if stealth isn't a requirement (and if you're sending Ospreys in it wouldn't be).

If it came to fruition as advertised it would be able put the Harrier/JSF out of business, especially if there was a political will to, so I doubt we'd ever see it develop into more than a pipe dream until after F35 production is completed.
 
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Brett327

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further challenges the "need" of the Marine Corps to have manned VTOL tacair assets like the Harrier and F35, which is already somewhat questionable in today's joint combat environment.

That's how I used to look at the problem too. Seen another way, though, it's not that they need VTOL capabilities in combat, but since they deploy from an Amphib deck, they do need that capability to get to the fight in the first place.
 

Swanee

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That's how I used to look at the problem too. Seen another way, though, it's not that they need VTOL capabilities in combat, but since they deploy from an Amphib deck, they do need that capability to get to the fight in the first place.
So what you're saying is- VTOL is relevant because we have Amphibs, but we have Amphibs because we have VTOL.

We have people skills! What the hell is wrong with you people!!

 

Brett327

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So what you're saying is- VTOL is relevant because we have Amphibs, but we have Amphibs because we have VTOL.

We have people skills! What the hell is wrong with you people!!

Not at all. We have Amphibs because they provide the same kind of access that a CVN does. You know, plus that whole USMC expeditionary thing you guys do.
 

Duc'-guy25

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The risk of having a successful VTOL robot that can do armed escort/CAS will be that it further challenges the "need" of the Marine Corps to have manned VTOL tacair assets like the Harrier and F35, which is already somewhat questionable in today's joint combat environment.
Yea, but we're the Marine Corps. The entire essence to our mantra is "we bring everything we need." The Corps isn't going to want to rely on Air Force or Navy Air assets when deploying an expeditionary unit. Especially considering the Commandants desire to get us back to being the amphibious expeditionary force we once were.
 

hscs

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Yea, but we're the Marine Corps. The entire essence to our mantra is "we bring everything we need." The Corps isn't going to want to rely on Air Force or Navy Air assets when deploying an expeditionary unit. Especially considering the Commandants desire to get us back to being the amphibious expeditionary force we once were.
Guess you don't need the Navy helos to do SAR then.....or the 'new' ESG concept.
 

Swanee

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Yea, but we're the Marine Corps. The entire essence to our mantra is "we bring everything we need." The Corps isn't going to want to rely on Air Force or Navy Air assets when deploying an expeditionary unit. Especially considering the Commandants desire to get us back to being the amphibious expeditionary force we once were.


I have my doubts that we will ever fight anywhere as just us Marines against the bad guys. These days it's not even Joint anymore- it's a Coalition. We want to be that special snowflake that can do everything really well. But we don't have the money or the people to really be able to do that. I guess we have to fight for relevance somewhere.

Too many times we in the Marine Corps say we're fully inter-operable between ground and air, yet our grunts can't send that digital 9-line to the Rafale overhead.
 

Flash

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Yea, but we're the Marine Corps. The entire essence to our mantra is "we bring everything we need." The Corps isn't going to want to rely on Air Force or Navy Air assets when deploying an expeditionary unit. Especially considering the Commandants desire to get us back to being the amphibious expeditionary force we once were.

Great in theory and something to practice to to a degreee but not going to be done in reality, with a few limited exceptions.
 

Flash

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Do you mean the MEU concept, or the MEU operating unsupported?

A MEU operating unsupported. Great to practice, plan and equip for but isn't going to really happen in real life with only a few possible limited exceptions.
 

jmcquate

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Agree. But I would argue it was never designed to do so if available. The Corps is arrogant (with good reason), But it's not stupid.
 
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