http://www.navytimes.com/story/mili...-losing-oxygen-and-happens-all-time/82255406/
Not surprised one bit. How about LOX for all my friends.
Not surprised one bit. How about LOX for all my friends.
The answer to "how low can you go" if IMC is not exactly in concurrence with NATOPS…………14k legally, 12k if you know where you are, and I will say that 7400' on GCA downwind is fucking scary at more than 10-12 miles……….that controller has your life in their hands at that point. Specific scenario aside, how did the E/F/G not get the F-15E system (different name than OBOGS, but mo betta according to our own OBOGS "experts")?
I get it. Its hard. There are engineering challenges. Flying Navy or Marine fighters now is WAY safer now than it was back in the day. But, does anyone feel like big Navy has our back on this one? Mission first, people always?
Fair, but that doesn't explain newer E/F and all Gs.It is what it is…….these old jets are getting older, and a system that was never that great is also getting older with it. I think the important part, short of an actual fix, is awareness of the issue.
We all want this thing resolved ASAP, but listening to the brief reassured me that a lot is in the works and it is a very high priority for NAVAIR.
I'm as concerned and vested in the OBOGS issues as anyone, but I'm not sure what this story offers other than another sensationalized take on what we already understand. If you have an opportunity to hear the O6 from NAVAIR give his brief on where the enterprise stands on OBOGS, do yourself a favor. He gives a good rundown of the various engineering lines of effort they have running and how the test community is involved in data collection and inflight air quality monitoring tools. We all want this thing resolved ASAP, but listening to the brief reassured me that a lot is in the works and it is a very high priority for NAVAIR.
That's certainly one perspective in the community, and I respect the collective frustration - much of which I share. Whatever priority this issue has been given in the past, it's hard to argue that leadership is ignoring it today. I also get frustrated with the mindset that if leadership/NAVAIR/industry just cared more/spent more/grounded the entire fleet/went back to LOX that the problem would magically disappear. It's a complex problem with a host of risks that leadership has to juggle.Nope, sorry Brett. That doesn't work anymore. This is an OLD and well understood problem. To hear these individuals brief is to hear the problem described, again. The fact of the matter is that this issue hasn't killed "enough" people or taken enough jets off the ATO to garner this level of attention earlier. I'm sure there are good people doing good work on the issue. The problem rest with leadership who kicked the can on this for a long long time.
To paraphrase RADM Manzier - it's never happened to me....
I might consider choosing the words I use in testimony a little differently:What would you do if you were currently in Manazir's shoes?