Big Bird is awesome- you can't miss her. I wish all the VT birds were painted that color... well at least the birds the solo's use.I say yellow!
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T-45C Camo colors....
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You're telling me that the availability is that good that the training command squadrons can dedicate a fancy paint job T-45 to every 2V1 ACM hop as the bogey, and that if said-jet goes down in the chocks pre-launch, another camo-painted T-45 will be waiting to replace it, and that this will guarantee the students will see this camo-painted jet and maintain sight while sometimes looking down against the South Texas or Mississippi terrain? And this will increase their skills at communicating that MAKE VAPES describes?
Can we (those who've worried about getting/keeping sight of a 'bad' guy) agree that its an idea that is probably rooted in "look cool", but has some utility during some events?
Besides - you can paint that jet any color you want - they're still not going to be able to see the F-5 on their first KW det
Besides - you can paint that jet any color you want - they're still not going to be able to see the F-5 on their first KW det
Seems like a pointless FITREP bullet chase to get some jets painted like that, but for what it's worth the dark gray F-15E's are so much easier to spot than their light gray brethren. The Mudhen is a magnet for shadows. Maybe a dark gray can make them look mean and highly visible at the same time.
Actually no, well at least those who paint the jet say it's a difficult paint job and more expensive than just a plain color. The Navy pay's more for tradition it seems vice what is less expensive and effective. I don't know where this idea stemmed from but it's probably to make the jets look somewhat cooler, a FITREP bullet, etc. Regardless, it's going to happen...........well, that's what "they" say. Though it seems a consensus from the pointy nose types that it's needed down here but I don't fly BFM.
Well, I didn't really say any of that. Im stating what the backbone of the reasoning is for better or worse. You seem hung up on the availability of a backup, though. At 10 tacti-cool jets per wing, and with lights out contract maintainers, I'd say that the probability of a bandit backup is pretty good.
Cammo ain't a plain "color". Its been a few years, I don't think they take em to bare metal when then repaint though... a redo on a cammo paint job would require it, no? Outta my element, only turned the wrench as necessary to help with my overstress inspections and to get the OBOGS valve unstuck on the road etc etc etc (maybe someone with some jet sanding and painting experience could weigh in).... Like I said, change isn't always good, the new g-warm change was an effing brilliantly worthless X killer, I can't see this paint doing anything but make things easier for the studs (the challenge in defining who's the bandit is GOOD) and constricting sometimes hamstrung maintanence desk kung fu masters with some new "requirements".
BFM IPs there should get over it, you are an orange and white clown jet instructor, trying to paint your jet fashionable won't change it. (I get it folks, I tried to start up a T-45 demo gig, used the Hawk one)
I took up the CO of VFC-13 on a Key West det (the guy who owned the Bars/Restaurants in Gaslamp), he was duly impressed with how dynamic and realistic we made section engaged maneuvering with two solo studs on a completer flight. It was obvious on those flights that the guy who was flying the jet uber-threateningly and an an RCH from a shot was indeed the bandit!
Good idea fairies switch button 16 for marshal instructions..... IMO, First near pattern mishap will get the orange paint back on the birds.
Good thing I'm not a Commo (and never, ever, ever will be for that matter!)!
What did they do to the g-warm and how did it kill x's?
Dude, you kind of bitch a lot...like a sailor and kind of like our new A4's. No, cammo is not plain color and the paint guys would rather just have one color, like black. CNATRA has already approved it so the bitching and whining just sounds like typical Navy crying. If it's going to happen and it's only 10 jets, which one works best? Yes, we know it's the internet and this comes to mind:
...and I agree, it's good you're not a Commo.
When I was a stud, what would have helped more in the RAG would have been getting the extra tac form and BFM flights that got cut out of a lot of classes syllabi in advanced (in order to make completion #'s), and more fleet-ish things like transiting in ATC spread instead of parade all the time (which would have helped WAY more in calibrating the .8-1nm mk.1 eyball later on in RAG syllabus). I personally didn't have any problems locating the a/c in 3 plane, paint may or may not have helped. Regardless, it's different and I like the idea, only way to tell if it works is to try it and see if it helps.
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Yeah, I guess I'm "hung up".......on the fact that I'm old and this is a different Navy and sometimes change is hard for an old fart to understand. I won't bother you any longer on such mundane ideas. I'm back into my hole for a long nap.
I've only had the TACForm class three times but we've only been taught the 4x6 G warm up.
Bunk (et al), I'll take all that as a compliment... thanks bro, I call em like I see em (just like that grumpy bastard who's views I agreed with 90some percent of the time). Just like a lot of 'good ideas' we'll wait, watch, and in the end someone will get proved right, or maybe not. The rotating beacon of 'good ideas'... saw it in my time there, just as you are now... Cheers.
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I get why the BFM IPs in the VT’s would want a different colored T-45…to distinguish between the bandit and the friendly during 2v1 BFM. Why though? The 2v1 BFM is scripted in the VT’s….it’s a comm drill that tries to teach the students how to talk and fly at the same time. Adding a little confusion to who is the “bandit” and who’s your wingman makes the student think instead of just “pulling the trigger” when they turn in from extending. Even the “Tap the Cap” ends up being mostly scripted because (1) the T-45 doesn’t really water the eyes at BFM so there’s limited things you can do with it, which makes it predictable and (2) the students have little clue as to what’s going on during “Tap the Cap” so they fall back to the limited knowledge they gained from the scripted 2v1’s.
Like I said, I get why the BFM IP’s would want it… no hate from me, but my “outside looking in” opinion is this is to make a few jets look “cool” when dudes are on the road. The Commodore bought off on it because he’ll fly one to the CQ dets. I can’t imagine that the contract maintenance is going to be held accountable if there isn’t a camo’d up T-45 ready for the flight schedule or as a spare for 2v1 flights…unless they change the contract, which I highly doubt.
But hey, if it'll get you laid at an airshow ...I'm down, paint'em all cammie!
My 2¢
Like I said, I get why the BFM IP’s would want it… no hate from me, but my “outside looking in” opinion is this is to make a few jets look “cool” when dudes are on the road. The Commodore bought off on it because he’ll fly one to the CQ dets. I can’t imagine that the contract maintenance is going to be held accountable if there isn’t a camo’d up T-45 ready for the flight schedule or as a spare for 2v1 flights…unless they change the contract, which I highly doubt.
But hey, if it'll get you laid at an airshow ...I'm down, paint'em all cammie!
My 2¢