What's with Bizzare Navy boat talk ashore?

[HackerF15E]

It is absolutely maddening to be a brief at a RF or ME and here some dude interject a couple of dozen "so to speak", "craniums up", "skulling", or container to his brief. Its distracting to the brief and brings more attention to the apparently unmentionable terms than if they just said 'em.

Completely agree that there are many guys who play the game poorly and it can be distracting.

However, when words like "skulling" are part of your daily vocabulary it's not distracting. I'm just as distracted when I fly with Navy guys and they use all their bizarre ship speak when we're nowhere near a boat. I'm equally irritated by things like "99 aircraft", "clear the duty, taxi to my line", "dash two", "section takeoffs", "divisions", and the like.

 

[Beans]

So what else can I say when I'm clear of the duty runway and want to taxi to my line?

 

[PhrogLoop]

So what else can I say when I'm clear of the duty runway and want to taxi to my line?

You say exactly what your squadron Radio Procedures Guide dictates VERBATIM or you get a downgrade for comms on your debrief. No kidding, I flew a very decent Contact ride in the T-6 at PIT training at Randolph and the debrief went pretty well until my IP laid into me for calling "Closed Downwind, With the Gear" instead of "Closed Downwind, Gear Down." I'll never forget this, he goes "I don't know how you guys do it in the Navy, but we're professionals on the radio in the Air Force." Now that guy really was a homo...

 

[HackerF15E]

So what else can I say when I'm clear of the duty runway and want to taxi to my line?

Only in the Navy do they call a runway "the duty", and only in the Navy do they call your parking spot "your line".

Everywhere else (including civilian flying) you'd say "clear the active", or "clear runway 31 Left", and "taxi to parking".

So, there are in fact lots of other acceptable ways to say that.

 

[FlyBoyd]

I'm equally irritated by things like....

AF using Guard for routine comms...

Having the SOF try to apply AF regs to a Navy aircraft (an E-6 is not a KC-135) and get pissed when you ignore his "cancel takeoff clearance" call and takeoff anyways.

Having 18 year old Nazi security point a weapon at you when you cross a gay red line around nothing.

The AF O-6 that has the decision making authority of a Navy O-3.

Watching a 135 crew brief (all 10 of them...FE and Boom operators included) the approach they would shoot at the end of a 12 hour flight.

The AF "IP" at NGP that looks for guidance at every corner because he has never been allowed to make a decision on his own.

Ascots, fresh flight suits for the O-club, command post (CINCMOM) comms, stand-ups, and the general stick-a-fork-in-your-eye kind of stuff.

/rant/

My intent is not to start another AF vs Navy thread. Every point above is a personal experience. Having trained with both and worked with both, I find most of the differences comical.

 

[A4sForever]

Only in the Navy do they call a runway "the duty", and only in the Navy do they call your parking spot "your line".

Everywhere else (including civilian flying) you'd say "clear the active", or "clear runway 31 Left", and "taxi to parking".

So, there are in fact lots of other acceptable ways to say that.

Yeah but, yeah but, yeah but ... but w/ 20K+ hours in the airlines ... I ALWAYS called it the 'duty runway' ... the 'line' ... sometimes the 'ramp' ... I NEVER said 'active' ...

When spotting traffic, I even said: 'Tallyho' ...

In the clag ... I said: 'POPEYE' ...

And I said: 'Cockpit' ... :icon_wink

 

[zipmartin]

I'm on a x-country in an A-4, stopping at Grissom AFB for a gas-n-go. I enter the transient-line area (not a single A/C parked anywhere in sight) and spot the civilian contract transient lineman standing with an arm extended above his head, signaling where I was to park, what seemed to be about a mile away (HUGE parking area). So I take the shortest route between two points, straight across the ramp towards him. As I start to approach him, he starts giving me signals to turn left, then right, then left; I obediently follow each command. Then he starts with a headnod left, then a headnod right, and back and forth, while guiding me to a parking spot. I'm thinking this guy is a little strange, but I continue to follow his guidance until he gives me the stop signal, and I notice he has a HUGE grin on his face as he chocks me and I shut down. I climb out and he says, still grinning from ear to ear: "I just love it when you Navy guys that have been on ships come in here. I give you guys signals just to watch you follow my guidance, just like you do on the carriers. Air Force guys......you can't get them off the yellow lines!"

 

[ReconJos]

"Clear of the duty, taxi to my line" is most definitely NOT "bizarre Navy boat talk" for two reasons: 1) you can never really be clear of the "duty" on the boat, and 2) you don't ask to taxi anywhere - you taxi wherever the hell the yellow-shirt tells you to!

 

[blackbart22]

The tower at China Lake was really confused when an F-15 from Edwards AFB showed up and requested "Bumps and Circuits". He then reported that he had "lowered his undercart." Fortunately there was a VX-5 A-4 driver in the runup area that recognized Aussie speak and translated.

 

[jtmedli]

The tower at China Lake was really confused when an F-15 from Edwards AFB showed up and requested "Bumps and Circuits". He then reported that he had "lowered his undercart." Fortunately there was a VX-5 A-4 driver in the runup area that recognized Aussie speak and translated.

I can see it now..."He said what about his underwear?..." Gotta love how things are 10x funnier over the radio!!

 

[MIDNJAC]

I climb out and he says, still grinning from ear to ear: "I just love it when you Navy guys that have been on ships come in here. I give you guys signals just to watch you follow my guidance, just like you do on the carriers. Air Force guys......you can't get them off the yellow lines!"

Reminds me of an IP I flew with in T-45 ACM. Taxxiing out to marshall, I'm obediently following the yellow line. He asks "hey what kind of obstacle clearance are you guaranteed by using the yellow line?" I respond "ughhhhh I don't know sir". He chuckles and says "trick question. the answer is none" Point taken

@ Hacker, I'd just say that most of that verbiage is taught at the lowest levels in the VT's so my guess is that it is the way folks have always talked. I've never said duty vice active, but the rest of it is everyday comms at the field for us.

 

[phrogdriver]

The USAF: Better to light the luxury than curse the queerness.

If only we could extract the best parts of each service and put them together.

THe Air Force funding (and chicks), the Coast Guard's duty stations, and Marine Corps' PT--what a fighting force that would be! Sorry Navy and Army-couldn't think of anything for you!

 

[HackerF15E]

The tower at China Lake was really confused when an F-15 from Edwards AFB showed up and requested "Bumps and Circuits". He then reported that he had "lowered his undercart." Fortunately there was a VX-5 A-4 driver in the runup area that recognized Aussie speak and translated.

Flying in England had so many of these bizarre terms that I literally had to fly around with a translation list on my kneeboard to decode some of the things controllers said to me over there. My first couple months in country were full of me constantly asking my wingman/flight lead, "what did he just say?" over the aux radio.

UK Word / What they mean
Avoiding Action = ATC vector
Diverse Approach = Radar Vectors for approach
Instrument Circuit = Instrument Approach
Line Up and Wait = Position and Hold
Overshoot = Low approach
Pressure Setting = Altimeter Setting
Reheat = Afterburner
Roller = Touch and go landing
Run and break = Overhead pattern
Stud = Preset radio freq
Talkdown = PAR approach
Visual Circuit = Tower-controlled pattern

"Contact Cosford Approach on Stud 5 for your diverse to the instrument, expect an overshoot to the visual with tower."

Slightly more weird than flying at NAS anywhere.

 

[HeyJoe]

Flying in England had so many of these bizarre terms that I literally had to fly around with a translation list on my kneeboard to decode some of the things controllers said to me over there. My first couple months in country were full of me constantly asking my wingman/flight lead, "what did he just say?" over the aux radio.

UK Word / What they mean
Avoiding Action = ATC vector
Diverse Approach = Radar Vectors for approach
Instrument Circuit = Instrument Approach
Line Up and Wait = Position and Hold
Overshoot = Low approach
Pressure Setting = Altimeter Setting
Reheat = Afterburner
Roller = Touch and go landing
Run and break = Overhead pattern
Stud = Preset radio freq
Talkdown = PAR approach
Visual Circuit = Tower-controlled pattern

"Contact Cosford Approach on Stud 5 for your diverse to the instrument, expect an overshoot to the visual with tower."

Slightly more weird than flying at NAS anywhere.

Don't they use "Embellish" anymore?

 

[Jim123]

When a couple of my friends landed on a Dutch ship, a female HCO asked them if they "required lashes*." Uhhhh...


*Tiedowns, ie. chocks/chains