Gun Laws in your state

[A4sForever]

In 2 1/2 words: Hassle .... but do-able. The "Territory" is such a great place, but it is possibly the most politically "g-(un)friendly" locale in the Union. Not that the populace doesn't "like" guns or you can't possess them -- I know some fellows with magnificent collections who reside there on a permanent basis.

It's just that the PC politicians have made it really tough to live and breathe if you possess firearms and they have made it next to impossible to carry legally for the law abiding citizen. I think a lot of it is driven by the influence of the large Japanese/Nisei/Isei population, their local politicians, and the generational anti-gun influence from Japan. Ironically, a lot of hypocracy is front & center as all too many of the "Bruddah's" carry -- but illegally. And for your generic law-abiding mean ol' Ha'ole Man? It's tight, restrictive, and it depends ... do you have something for home personal protection you intend on bringing ... or a collection? I would leave the collection on the mainland unless you plan on residing there permanently after this PCS is over.

For personal protection (in quarters) or "go to the range" type of personal firearms (and Koko Head has an excellent range) --- basically no problem, just another Hawaii bureaucratic hassle. Rifles, handguns, or shotguns, new or antique, working or not (!!) --- they all have to be registered in Hawaii, usually within 3 days (!!) of your arrival. And, of course, if in a PCS shipment, any firearm will be listed, so the bureaucrats will know. If handguns -- still no "real" problem; but it is impossible -- realistically -- for the law-abiding citizen to obtain a Concealed Carry permit in the Territory. They are a "may issue" as opposed to a "shall issue" jurisdiction. You would have to be a relative of the Governor to get a CC Permit and then it's still problematical.

Personally?? I got some "real" training and got good and defensive-capable with a knife, which was purchased in Hawaii -- now that's eminently do-able and you might consider it. The Territory has a high crime rate (as do most jurisdictions w/ significant gun control laws) and most of it is armed and illegal --- so it figures, ya? (Oh, yes ... get used to hearing "ya" .... kind of a omnipresent local variant of "yes" ... but God, I've been in love with that place ever since I was there as a kid in the '50's )

Check with Kaneohe MAA or Admin for on-base guidance. I am not suggesting this ... but some people I know have FedEx'ed "unlisted personal packages" to themselves after their PCS "arrival" in the Territory. American ingenuity and all , but let the buyer beware ....

Some links you might want to check for general starters:

NRA state compendium of state laws: http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/compendium.htm

HPD Firearms Laws: http://www.honolulupd.org/info/gunlaw1.htm

Hope this helps --- you're gonna love it there, in spite of the bureacrats and the Bruddahs ....

BOOK 'EM !!!

 

[murryton]

The most dangerous thing in law enforcement is a routine traffic stop, so when the police pull you over and look up the records before talking to you they already know if you have a concealed handgun license (which they will check for). Any sudden movements and they'll probably be reaching for their pistol. Why not just let the deputy know that you have a concealed carry? Hand him your drivers license and carrying license at the same time so you don't make them nervous.


OR be angry and don't tell them, make sudden movements, and get whacked. That'll weed out the lower IQ folks quick.

 

[Mumbles]

I'm waiting for the Dirty Master Bater to chime in about his recent experience w/ Va Beach's finest.....
(Rare....and everyone else for that matter...don't think I'm denigrating the LE Community)
I was shocked and awed by the flack he took by a municipal cop...after doing everything right per his 2nd amendment rights.

 

[insanebikerboy]

I'm waiting for the Dirty Master Bater to chime in about his recent experience w/ Va Beach's finest.....
(Rare....and everyone else for that matter...don't think I'm denigrating the LE Community)
I was shocked and awed by the flack he took by a municipal cop...after doing everything right per his 2nd amendment rights.

I have yet to hear this story but I swear to God MB walks around with a perpetual black rain cloud over his head.

 

[Mumbles]

You can not be a "happy camper" until you are blue in the fucking face. And you are not going to get someone's handgun permit unless you can prove they had a gun on them at the time.

You might want to read the law Rog-O

G C 5 4 1 1 . 2 0 5 .

That first sentence is pretty important. So is the 4th amendment to the Constitution. That still applies in Texas, at least for the time being.

If a citizen wants to tell you to fuck off, then you have a choice to make. You can fuck off, or you can push it. You had better have really damn good probably cause to go frisking someone for a handgun. There are federal laws against illegal search and seizure by a police officer. You want to risk that over a class B misdeamenor?

Why the hell would a cop want to start shit by asking questions about a hangun permit anyway? If you pull someone over for speeding, why can't you just talk about speeding? If you see trash on his floor are you going to give him shit about all that possible litter on the ground.

In all fairness to Rare,
I would think it's sort of like a DC cop doing a stop in Georgetown vice somewhere in Ward 8....I would think that there's a little bit of profiling going on in the LE Officer's mind as well. If you look like an MS-13, or a crip, or a nazi skinhead, you will receive a bit more scrutiny. It's also a hell of alot easier for LE and concealed carry to co-exist when you are in rural Tejas or Montana vice DC or NYC....

 

[PropAddict]

Hope this helps --- you're gonna love it there, in spite of the bureacrats and the Bruddahs ....

Oh, I have no doubt. I just have to push through all this PCS crap. And all the special OCONUS PCS garbage. And all the extra special Hawaii PCS malarky. (Next up: bringing pets to da Islands! Joy!)

The knife training is something I hadn't considered. I've watched the Cold Steel videos, but real training has always been out there on my "maybe someday" list. It is definitely on my "To Do" list now.

Mahalo!

 

[Bevo16]

The most dangerous thing in law enforcement is a routine traffic stop, so when the police pull you over and look up the records before talking to you they already know if you have a concealed handgun license (which they will check for). Any sudden movements and they'll probably be reaching for their pistol. Why not just let the deputy know that you have a concealed carry? Hand him your drivers license and carrying license at the same time so you don't make them nervous.


OR be angry and don't tell them, make sudden movements, and get whacked. That'll weed out the lower IQ folks quick.

Why would a cop be nervous about someone who has jumped through all the hoops, taken the classes, passed the written and proficiency test, filed the paperwork, and paid the money to get a permit? If a cop is to fucking stupid to know that those are the people least likely to do them harm, then they don't need to be wearing a badge.

AND if their knowledge of the law is so lacking that they can't get past the 4th amendment of the constitution, then they have no right to be wearing a badge (and won't be for long).

It is possible to respect the cop's job, put your hands in a place that gives him a warm fuzzy, and be respectful and expect to have my civil rights respected as well. I know they have a hard job. That does not give them the right to ask questions about things that are none of their fucking business. A question about a gun in the car is no more appropriate than if he pulled you over for speeding and asked "Sir, do you beat your wife?" Contrary to some shitty cops beliefs (and I hope this is not you Rog) a traffic stop is not a fishing expedition to see what tickets they can write.

 

[statesman]

I hate having to disclose the fact that I am carrying a gun but I do it for a couple of reasons:

- The penalty for not doing so means I can loose my CHL

- Most cops that I have had experience with get visibly calmer when I tell them I have a CHL and that my gun is next to me

- Many cops seem to look at the CHL as a good thing and will just let you off with a warning. And I HATE paying traffic fines.


I think it seems to calm folks down when you are up front and honest with them. Do I think we should have to disclose the information? NO. If I didnt have to disclose my gun, would I still do it? Maybe.

I have less of an issue telling a cop in a traffic stop that I have a gun, and more of an issue with cops asking me about my gun ownership when my house gets broken into. If I had guns that got stolen I would tell them. If not, then my personal gun ownership is none of their business.

My biggest beef with the TX CHL laws is the fingerprint requirement. Same with Drivers licences. My biometric data is no concern of the States.

 

[A4sForever]

From the Texas DPS website ....Read and Heed - rare21

Roger that; .... rare21's got it right.

Bevo and any of the other nattering nabobs ... as much as you may not 'like it' ... you've gotta' bite the bullet (no pun) ... you gotta' do the RIGHT THING ... both for YOU and for the OFFICER.

I've been instructed and have personally taught this stuff for many years ... the Texas DPS 'procedure' is the textbook solution. I've been 'in the seat' when the situation arose -- I followed the 'book' solution -- and it paid off ...

And it's the 'right' thing to do ... and I value my basic 'rights' as much (or more) than the next guy ...

 

[Brett327]

Why would a cop be nervous about someone who has jumped through all the hoops, taken the classes, passed the written and proficiency test, filed the paperwork, and paid the money to get a permit? If a cop is to fucking stupid to know that those are the people least likely to do them harm, then they don't need to be wearing a badge.

AND if their knowledge of the law is so lacking that they can't get past the 4th amendment of the constitution, then they have no right to be wearing a badge (and won't be for long).

It is possible to respect the cop's job, put your hands in a place that gives him a warm fuzzy, and be respectful and expect to have my civil rights respected as well. I know they have a hard job. That does not give them the right to ask questions about things that are none of their fucking business. A question about a gun in the car is no more appropriate than if he pulled you over for speeding and asked "Sir, do you beat your wife?" Contrary to some shitty cops beliefs (and I hope this is not you Rog) a traffic stop is not a fishing expedition to see what tickets they can write.

I love how you throw around concepts like "knowledge of the law" and "my fourth amendment rights." It's so cute. Clearly your 4th amendment rights aren't absolute, so stop behaving as though they are and that your precious "rights" are being trampled upon. Like it or not, you have to jump through all kinds of hoops to carry concealed and that privilege can be taken away if you don't abide by the rules - that's the law. You'd rather go down "for your cause," even though no court in the state would agree with your position. I love it - you're so "that" guy. Don't you have a health care reform town meeting to disrupt?

Brett

 

[Mumbles]

I'll wait for Axelrod's email that I've been flagged...

flag@wh.gov.

 

[Bevo16]

I love how you throw around concepts like "knowledge of the law" and "my fourth amendment rights." It's so cute. Clearly your 4th amendment rights aren't absolute, so stop behaving as though they are and that your precious "rights" are being trampled upon. Like it or not, you have to jump through all kinds of hoops to carry concealed and that privilege can be taken away if you don't abide by the rules - that's the law. You'd rather go down "for your cause," even though no court in the state would agree with your position. I love it - you're so "that" guy. Don't you have a health care reform town meeting to disrupt?

Brett

The high priest of self righteousness has spoken. I guess that pretty much wraps it up. Maybe you could read up on some 4th amendment cases before you slam the door. I know that whole "knowledge of the law" thing is a real problem for you. Why is it that I always end up doing your research?

http://www2.maxwell.syr.edu/plegal/scales/jimenofacts.html

http://www2.maxwell.syr.edu/plegal/scales/bostick.html

I agree that if you have a permit and gun on you, you SHOULD follow the law and tell the cop if asked. It's what you sign up for when you get the permit. None of those laws eliminate the 4th amendment. A dispatcher telling a patrol cop that someone has a HCL does not equal PC for a search.

If you don't have a gun "on or about your person", there is no law to violate. You don't have to tell the cop diddly squat.


It would be an interesting research project to see how the laws would work regarding reciprocity in a case like this. I have a Tennessee permit, and carry in Texas when I go home. Tennessee has no law requiring that a permit holder inform a police officer that they have a weapon, or even answer the questions. (even though the military stickers/hands where they see them/same team notice..helps get you out of the ticket). Texas has no authority to revoke a Tennessee permit. Interesting. I hope I never have to fork over the legal fees to find out.

 

[CAMike]

CA is almost as absurd as HI as far as CCW rules go. And now you know why I live in Fresno.

Where is Duke Lukela (Herman Wedemeyer) when you need him? Herman was a football great from Saint Mary's College back in the day. Go SMC, my alm! or... am I just dating myself by even mentioning this again.
Does anyone even remember Herman Wedemeyer or Five-O on this forum?

Just ship the tools via UPS to yourself after the main PCS move. Don't kid yourself- HI can be just as dangerous as South Central depending on where you go.

 

[picklesuit]

Okay, I need it 'splained to me...is the law that a person with a CHL must volunteer that he has a gun/permit...or is it that he must tell he is carrying after asked? I think there is a big difference here...

Now I, regardless of the laws applicable, tell an officer when pulled over that I have weapons in the truck. I figure why surprise a guy who is used to dealing with shifty meth-heads and petty thieves...especially when the truck I drive looks like it is owned by a meth-head...

Plus, while he would be busy dealing with me "asserting my rights" he could be off catching real assholes with some malconduct planned...

Pickle

 

[A4sForever]

....Does anyone even remember Herman Wedemeyer or Five-O on this forum?

Yea-as ... 'Squirmin' Herman was one of my Little League coaches when we took 2nd place in da' Territory ... Had we 'won' ... we would have advanced toward the LL World Series as da' team from da' Territory of Hawaii ...

His younger brother -- Charlie -- was a teammate.