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Some Random Questions and a specific PRT question

cha02

New Member
I'm still in college and have somewhat thought about Navy OCS. I have zero knowledge about military so sorry if i sound retarded.

1) What does SNA and NFQ mean?
2) Are ALL OCS people sent to Newport, or are there other cities/options?
3) From the time you walk in the door and talk to a recruiter, how long does it take to get into OCS? Some posts on here make it seem like a while, but i always had the stereotype that the military is desperate and will take anyone and sign them up on the spot??
4) I've also seen posts about stress and crazyness at OCS. Is that just for the first couple weeks, or is it like that the whole way through?
5) Let's say, one person had a dream of being a navy pilot and other just wanted to do office work on an aircraft carrier, would they both go to the same exact OCS?

I'll have more later, so check back. Thanks.
 

schwarti

Active Member
Contributor
1. Student Naval Aviator. No idea what NFQ means, but NFO means Naval Flight Officer. Aviators are the guys who fly the plane/helo, and NFOs are the ones who do the other stuff. Both are very difficult jobs.

2. OCS is only in Newport, RI.

3. It varies, but in general takes a few months or longer if you have any issues that need to be resolved. Your stereotype is wrong. Navy OCS is extremely selective, and many applicants will be rejected several times.

4. I haven't been there, but from what I understand, it's very difficult the whole way through. Most grads seem to agree that you get somewhat used to it, but it is still extremely stressful.

5. You don't just do one thing - an aviator will be flying, but will also have another (desk?) job as well. I'll let one of them go more in depth if they want to explain.
 

cha02

New Member
Well i have no interest in flying. If anything, i'd lean towards a surface ship. But i'm just wondering if the OCS training is exactly the same for both Naval officiers...and other types of officers.
 

nzachman

Yeah, well. The Dude abides.
OCS is the same for all officers. You will be classed up w/ aviators, NFOs, surface warfare, etc. The only officers who dont attend regular OCS (except for ROTC and academy guys) are those with professional degrees (doctors, lawyers,..). They attend OCS, but it is a little different from the 12 week one that most people attend.
 

cha02

New Member
Thanks Zach. Well i will be getting a Master's in Business Administration. Do you know if that would put in the same group as doctors/lawyers....or would i still be in regular OCS?
 

FDX

It's mind games!
Thanks Zach. Well i will be getting a Master's in Business Administration. Do you know if that would put in the same group as doctors/lawyers....or would i still be in regular OCS?


No. You would still go to "Regular OCS".
 

jt71582

How do you fly a Clipper?
pilot
Contributor
Thanks Zach. Well i will be getting a Master's in Business Administration. Do you know if that would put in the same group as doctors/lawyers....or would i still be in regular OCS?

Doctors/Lawyers/Dentists/Chaplains (Staff Corps) go to ODS - Officer Development School. Getting a MBA would still land you in OCS as far as I know. You mentioned wanting to do 'office work' on an aircraft carrier. I'd say what would best match what kind of job you're looking for would be Supply Officer.

Spend some time on AW searching through old threads. Search for supply and see what you can turn up. Research what kind of job you're looking for on the Navy's website. If you're serious about OCS, talk to an OFFICER RECRUITER - do not make the mistake of just going down to the enlisted recruiter just because it's closest.

Good luck. :D
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
3) From the time you walk in the door and talk to a recruiter, how long does it take to get into OCS? Some posts on here make it seem like a while, but i always had the stereotype that the military is desperate and will take anyone and sign them up on the spot??
It took me 8 months. Unlike enlisted recruits, you need to apply for officer communities like you would apply for any other job. You fill out paperwork where you tell the Navy how awesome you are, and then it goes to boards for the communities you apply for (or, in the case of nuke, it goes to an ascession officer before you go interview with the Admiral in DC). Some selection boards meet more often than others. If your credentials aren't up to par, then you will not be selected by your community's board.

Bonus: the Navy prefers technical degrees (although an MBA makes you very attractive for Supply), and at this point in time, anything less than a 3.0 gpa with good ASTB scores isn't very competitive.

Bottom line: people can't just walk into a recruiting station and become an officer by snapping their fingers. While it may not be as competitive as, say, medical school, it's certainly a prestigious position that requires exceptional credentials.

4) I've also seen posts about stress and crazyness at OCS. Is that just for the first couple weeks, or is it like that the whole way through?
OCS is stressful, and shitty, but it's not at all hard if you are 100% dedicated to earn your commission.
5) Let's say, one person had a dream of being a navy pilot and other just wanted to do office work on an aircraft carrier, would they both go to the same exact OCS?
All unrestricted line officers (those in command/warfighting positions) go to OCS, along with Supply Corps officers. All other staff corps officers (those who perform a particular profession within the military, eg doctors, lawyers, teachers) go to ODS, a 6 week program which is also in Newport.

Officers wear many hats in the Navy. You will never "just be doing office work." If that's what you're out to do, there are a ton of cubicles with your name on it at company X.

Spend some time on AW searching through old threads. Search for supply and see what you can turn up. Research what kind of job you're looking for on the Navy's website. If you're serious about OCS, talk to an OFFICER RECRUITER - do not make the mistake of just going down to the enlisted recruiter just because it's closest.
Some follow up gouge: Before you walk into the recruiting station, please PLEASE research the various officer communities, what their main jobs are, and what the pre-requisites are. The more that you research on your own before going in, the more the recruiter will be able to help you out. Then it's a matter of taking the ASTB to see if you're competitive. A few people came into my district and it definitely showed that their google-fu was lacking.

Well i have no interest in flying. If anything, i'd lean towards a surface ship. But i'm just wondering if the OCS training is exactly the same for both Naval officiers...and other types of officers.
The point of OCS is to indoctrinate you into the military and teach you military customs so everyone can look at you funny when you actually practice them correctly. You learn community-specific skills at follow-on schools, but ultimately most of what you learn is going to be on the job training.
 

cha02

New Member
What does ASTB mean and how does that work? Supply Corps does sound like the way i would go, but...I've got some friends at the Naval Academy who tell me that Supply Corps is viewed as not so prestigious as other possibilities-I don't really care, i was just curious if they are right.
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
What does ASTB mean and how does that work? Supply Corps does sound like the way i would go, but...I've got some friends at the Naval Academy who tell me that Supply Corps is viewed as not so prestigious as other possibilities-I don't really care, i was just curious if they are right.
The ASTB is an aptitude test that potential applicants take. It has multiple sections that focus on reading comprehension, algebra, basic mechanics, spatial perception, flight history, and very basic flight and seamanship.

I wouldn't really know about the Supply Corps's "place" in the Navy. No one at OCS looked down on or up to any particular designator.
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
Why does everyone keep saying going the enlisted route is a mistake? What's so bad about it?
I don't know of anyone on here who would say that going enlisted is an outright mistake. Going enlisted is a mistake if you are already a qualified, competitive applicant who would like an officer position (eg, pilot or nfo wannabes). However, there are a ton of great enlisted jobs in the military as well. Moreover, how many other jobs coming out of high school will pay you $16-20k/year to start while providing you with cost-free living space and healthcare, has promotion possibilities, and offers to pay for your college education? If you're the type of person who likes to do the hands on work, then enlisting is for you. If you're the type of person who would prefer to manage others, then officer is for you.

If enlisting were really that bad, we wouldn't have any NCOs -- many of whom have college degrees and prefer to stay on their enlisted career path anyway.
 

cha02

New Member
Alright don't laugh at this one. But is the movie An Officer and a Gentleman very representative of OCS? In other words, are you able to leave at night/ and weekends to go to bars or see the local women??
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
I've yet to see that movie. You get liberty somewhere between week 8-10, depending on your class team's discretion. You can go to the local bars during that time if you wish.
 
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