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Why we jump on mishap threads so quickly here on AW...

Schnugg

It's gettin' a bit dramatic 'round here...
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By now most of you heard a midshipman died suddenly at the Naval Academy on Monday morning. See: https://www.usna.com/NetCommunity/SSLPage.aspx?RSS=acad&pid=5136

The EarlyBird reported the following:
Carrie Dickmann said she learned of her daughter's death about 3 p.m. Monday in an e-mail from the parent of one of Dickmann's teammates on the academy's volleyball team. The e-mail expressed condolences for the family's loss, Carrie Dickmann said.
http://ebird.afis.mil/ebfiles/e20080507598983.html


This is never how a family should learn of something like this.
 

ea6bflyr

Working Class Bum
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Two time CACO here and it's the toughest job in the MILITARY.

2 below for the parents who sent the email. What a horrible way to find out you child has passed.

-ea6bflyr ;)
 

Malo83

Keep the Faith
Apparently you've never stood CACO duties...
Duties aside this Family should have been notified ASAP.Why the delay,once a person is pronounced deceased the wheels should be turning for the next of kin.
 

Scoob

If you gotta problem, yo, I'll be part of it.
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Duties aside this Family should have been notified ASAP.Why the delay,once a person is pronounced deceased the wheels should be turning for the next of kin.
The family IS notified ASAP....in person. If the family was local to Annapolis it would have not been a big issue for that to happen. But, duties are handled by a CACO (who has hopefully been trained) at the closest Navy command to the PNOK, with an accompanying Chaplain if possible. That takes coordination which can be very difficult to get assigned and rolling.
 

brownshoe

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The family IS notified ASAP....in person. If the family was local to Annapolis it would have not been a big issue for that to happen. But, duties are handled by a CACO (who has hopefully been trained) at the closest Navy command to the PNOK, with an accompanying Chaplain if possible. That takes coordination which can be very difficult to get assigned and rolling.


This is right on.

Steve
 

insanebikerboy

Internet killed the television star
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Duties aside this Family should have been notified ASAP.Why the delay,once a person is pronounced deceased the wheels should be turning for the next of kin.


The downside in this day and age of e-mail and easy communication. Rumor gets through the Academy fast as lightening, and even faster through the parent's network. While it's a shitty way to find out I'm honestly not surprised it happened that way.

That said, thoughts to the family.
 

Zissou

Banned
Instant Messaging has robbed more families of a dignified notification than I care to think of.

Anyone caught betraying the trust of his comrades by "innocently" leaking the news should grab his rags.
 

FlyinSpy

Mongo only pawn, in game of life...
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The family IS notified ASAP....in person. If the family was local to Annapolis it would have not been a big issue for that to happen. But, duties are handled by a CACO (who has hopefully been trained) at the closest Navy command to the PNOK, with an accompanying Chaplain if possible. That takes coordination which can be very difficult to get assigned and rolling.

That's also why when there is a casualty from a base in Afghanistan and Iraq they almost always freeze the phones and NIPR - they don't want anyone jumping the gun and getting word to the family before the CACO gets there. I'm sure the midshipman in question didn't know any better, but they are probably now getting some EMI on proper procedures....
 

scoober78

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The family IS notified ASAP....in person. If the family was local to Annapolis it would have not been a big issue for that to happen. But, duties are handled by a CACO (who has hopefully been trained) at the closest Navy command to the PNOK, with an accompanying Chaplain if possible. That takes coordination which can be very difficult to get assigned and rolling.


You guys have all made great points here.

Just wanted to amplify on the above. The coordination can often be tremendously difficult. I stood CACO for a family in the middle of Upstate NY...why? Because I was the only officer that anyone could get ahold of at the nearest unit...What unit you ask? NROTC Cornell. I was literally doing my laundry one Sunday afternoon and two hours later, as an Ensign...was paying respects to an 18 year olds family. As was said, Norfolk? Probably not a big deal, but let's talk about Intercourse, PA or Big Hollow, WV. The problem is not the Navy's policy in this case.

For those who've never had the regrettable honor...know this. If you do, its the toughest thing you may ever do period. Not just in the Nav.
 

Schnugg

It's gettin' a bit dramatic 'round here...
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I had to go with the CAG to meet the widow of a mishap aircrew and brief her on what happened. Not easy to do.
 
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