The problem is not the fact that decisions will be made on how money is spent for medical care. The problem is that the government will be making those decisions, after forcing people to buy insurance. After getting excessively involved with the pricing, which will drive out suppliers and thus raise the cost/cut the quality. And after not even addressing the biggest problems with the health care industry. I have been awake. You, on the other hand, apparently dozed off quite early.
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The Great Universal Health Care Debate w/Poll (note: it just passed both houses)
- Thread starter QuagmireMcGuire
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The problem is not the fact that decisions will be made on how money is spent for medical care. The problem is that the government will be making those decisions, after forcing people to buy insurance. After getting excessively involved with the pricing, which will drive out suppliers and thus raise the cost/cut the quality. And after not even addressing the biggest problems with the health care industry. I have been awake. You, on the other hand, apparently dozed off quite early.
Since there are no serious efforts to contain prices in this mandatory insurance scheme, the future seems to be clearly written on the walls. If the previous situation with exploding prices and monetary-based rationing was headed for disaster, then this new situation will only get there faster.
Now instead of the government slowing growing the FIRE cancer that is the health insurance industry over a period of time through economically-unsound tax policy, the goverment has decided to put the pedal through the floorboard. Mandatory insurance for all; distorted cost third-party payers for everyone.
Health insurance is a good thing when it is actually insurance. It just makes sense to have insurance to avoid catastrophe and ruin; but when you pay a third party to cover the cost of your aspirin or a sprained ankle or an annual check-up, then you are paying for a service that is completely unnecessary.
The government already has significant influence over medical care costs with it's Medicaid and Medicare reimbursements, especially Congress which sets some absurd reimbursement rates now. I believe the new health care bill actually improves that process significantly. If you think that this new law will somehow make suppliers not want to sell products anymore I think you are disconnected from reality, no matter the system we have health care costs as a percentage of our economy are expected to continue to rise for the foreseeable future. They will continue to go where the money is, in health care.
And if you think that the government having even a greater influence over health care costs is always a bad thing I point to the one state that sets the prices for medical procedures done by all the hospitals in the state each year. It has been successful in holding down costs enough that the federal government exempts it from it's own price settings. Ironic or not the state has some of the best hospitals in the world, and has continued to have them for years under the current system, and the qualitative difference between it's overall health care and neighboring states is negligible, though it is done at an overall lower cost. Want to guess what state?
According to Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, since we have passed the health care bill we can now find out what it is in it.
Apparently, if you work in or own a business, the government hates you. Unless you're involved in the CPA field, that is.
As of 2012, right before the Mayans come back from space to kill us all, businesses will be inundated with a paperwork avalanche. In short, for every transaction of $600 or more for the year, you need to file a 1099 on the other entity and send it to them and the IRS. The difference is that previously such forms only had to be filed for contract work. Now it includes all transactions between all businesses and contractors.
If I were a betting man, I'd invest in a company specializing in offering tax compliance services right about now...
Sources:
"Ostensibly Neutral"
http://www.snohomishcountybusinessjournal.com/article/20100501/SCBJ14/100429792/-1/SCBJ
http://www.accountingweb.com/topic/tax/costly-changes-1099-reporting-health-care-bill
"No Pretense of Neutrality"
http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODkyMzZhNDM0MjQxNDZlYWQ5NGJlYzcxMzE4NzFlYWQ=
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/38889...Patents;_Shock_and_Pain_Coming_to_UK,_US.html
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index...macare-contains-crippling-changes-to-tax-code
Apparently, if you work in or own a business, the government hates you. Unless you're involved in the CPA field, that is.
As of 2012, right before the Mayans come back from space to kill us all, businesses will be inundated with a paperwork avalanche. In short, for every transaction of $600 or more for the year, you need to file a 1099 on the other entity and send it to them and the IRS. The difference is that previously such forms only had to be filed for contract work. Now it includes all transactions between all businesses and contractors.
If I were a betting man, I'd invest in a company specializing in offering tax compliance services right about now...
Sources:
"Ostensibly Neutral"
http://www.snohomishcountybusinessjournal.com/article/20100501/SCBJ14/100429792/-1/SCBJ
http://www.accountingweb.com/topic/tax/costly-changes-1099-reporting-health-care-bill
"No Pretense of Neutrality"
http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODkyMzZhNDM0MjQxNDZlYWQ5NGJlYzcxMzE4NzFlYWQ=
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/38889...Patents;_Shock_and_Pain_Coming_to_UK,_US.html
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index...macare-contains-crippling-changes-to-tax-code
Carsongamer
New Member
I know it's been awhile since the last post so i'm not trying to re-hash this.... but I absolutely hate the argument of: "We are one of the only major countries in the world that do not have Universal Healthcare, thus it is important for us to have it"; it is inherently flawed.
If we followed that logic, we'd end up like China and have the air so thick with smog, our engines wouldn't run, or we'd end up like France and Canada and bend over and take it from behind(excuse the metaphor), because we'd choose to appease every single war as opposed to fighting them. Just my two cents.
If we followed that logic, we'd end up like China and have the air so thick with smog, our engines wouldn't run, or we'd end up like France and Canada and bend over and take it from behind(excuse the metaphor), because we'd choose to appease every single war as opposed to fighting them. Just my two cents.
I would hate to point out the obvious but Canada has fought alongside us in every war for the past 100 years except for OIF and Vietnam, not exactly 'appeasers' by any stretch, especially when you consider that their casualty rate in Afghanistan was for a time even higher than even ours.
Not sure how the China thing fits in there, but okay.
Carsongamer
New Member
I was using rough analogies here, but yes you are correct, I was referring more towards the squeamish policys on gun control etc.
My point was, is that using an argument with the structure of "everyone else is doing it, why shouldn't we" is a very terrible argument to to attempt to instantiate(referring to one of the first arguments made at the beginning of this thread)
GoVols1998
New Member
Let's see, health care costs are too high? From 2002-2004, in the 4 southwest American states, there was $205 BILLION in unpaid medical care for illegal immigrants. This health care reform, financial reform, etc., all revolves around the INCREDIBLY radical ideas of our President, and all the radicals he surrounds himself with. Watch Glenn Beck, you will learn things and want to throw up at the same time.
You're absolutely right about this. When I watched Glenn Beck, I learned that he's an idiot, and the crap that he spewed made me want to throw up.
So yeah, coming from the Unintended Consequences Department:
$17 Billion in new taxes, but likely hundreds of billions in added cost to businesses for compliance, is coming from the "Health Care" law. Here's the skinny: if your business does business over $600 per year with any single other business (not just contractors as before), you are required to send them a 1099.
A bailout for Certified Public Accountants...?
$17 Billion in new taxes, but likely hundreds of billions in added cost to businesses for compliance, is coming from the "Health Care" law. Here's the skinny: if your business does business over $600 per year with any single other business (not just contractors as before), you are required to send them a 1099.
A bailout for Certified Public Accountants...?
GoVols1998
New Member
Flash, I'm sorry, I can't recall the source, as it was just an article I glanced over a few weeks ago. However, one of my former jobs was in the Vanderbilt Emergency Room, and they typically had $200-300k unpaid per month, and from talking with the ER director, a healthy amount (15-20%) of that was from illegal immigrants, and that's in middle Tennessee. A that was just the ER portion, much less any trauma care, surgeries, etc. I really don't care if you believe that or not, because I was there, I asked questions, and I found out for myself.
OnTopTime, I will admit, Glenn Beck's interjection of his religious beliefs and silliness is pretty dumb sometimes, but for the most part he just presents the video, words, and writings of the people he discusses. It's public record, not his opinion. For instance, he showed a video of the manufacturing czar, which Mr. Radical Obama appointed, saying he AGREES with Chairman Mao's philosophy. He agrees with the philosophy of one of the kings of communism? Are you f'ing kidding me? But he didn't stop there, he went on to say that political power COMES FROM THE BARREL OF A GUN. WTF?!?!?
OnTopTime, I will admit, Glenn Beck's interjection of his religious beliefs and silliness is pretty dumb sometimes, but for the most part he just presents the video, words, and writings of the people he discusses. It's public record, not his opinion. For instance, he showed a video of the manufacturing czar, which Mr. Radical Obama appointed, saying he AGREES with Chairman Mao's philosophy. He agrees with the philosophy of one of the kings of communism? Are you f'ing kidding me? But he didn't stop there, he went on to say that political power COMES FROM THE BARREL OF A GUN. WTF?!?!?
http://mediamatters.org/research/200910200026
Do your own research, and don't get your information about the world from TV.
Do your own research, and don't get your information about the world from TV.
My (admittedly limited) experience watching Glenn Beck is that the information he presents is generally devoid of its proper context. He spins things the way he wants to fit his sometimes bizarre theories. one example. We can all learn a lesson from the recent Andrew Breitbart/Shirley Sherrod debacle.
He agrees with 100% of Mao's philosophy? Some of it? Which parts? What is the context of his statement in which he agrees with Mao's philosophy? I found the clip of this guy saying that "we kind of agree with Mao that political power comes largely from the barrel of a gun." This was before Obama was elected, so the "we" doesn't refer to the current administration. It seems to me that he's speaking metaphorically, somewhere along the lines of "he who has the gold makes the rules." Again, context is everything.
GoVols1998
New Member
m26, point taken. But I don't think anyone in this country should support very many, if any communist philosophies. If they do, they should leave this country. But OnTopTime, the alarming thing about this health care reform, is the new leader of medicare/medicaid, Dr. Berwick. I am appalled at how much he admires the British nationalized healthcare system, which is failing, like most of the other socialist programs in Europe.