When I was there for my cruise this summer I couldn't understand why there was no O-Club, yet the CPO club was not only there but hopping on several occasions.
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Tailhook '91
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When I was there for my cruise this summer I couldn't understand why there was no O-Club, yet the CPO club was not only there but hopping on several occasions.
The plaques that they put on display in the Naval Aviation Museum are supposed to be the more "family-friendly" ones of the bunch. I'd love to see the more colorful ones that they have put away.
That's poetic, almost .... a.k.a. the "see Rome and die" line of thinking ...
CUBI/Subic/Olongapo/Manila/Clark/Baguio in the '60's & '70's = potentially the BEST times in a young man's life. A TRUE rite of passage in every sense .... including all the good one's, too (land/sea/and air) .... I'm only sorry that you ALL can't have the experiences.
One of my favorite places in the world! I try to get down there on a Friday every chance I can. I know the dice game you're talking about, but can't remember the name, either.
The Aviator Ale on tap is a bit higher on the alcohol content than you might expect.
If any of you haven't gone there yet, there are dozens of airplane models hanging from the ceiling. It's tradition on your first visit to get everyone's attention, announce the aircraft that you fly, and then rub your aircraft (don't worry, it's hanging in there somewhere) for good luck.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the beer but I like the effect, and hey, can't win them all.
If you played for drinks at the bar, it was probably Ship, Captain, and Crew .... a.k.a. "6,5,4" in some other jurisdictions, but not the U.S. Navy. A slight variant to the game is "Ace high in the P.I." ....
What am I? A miracle worker?
What is this 'steel beach' you speak of. i presume it has something to do with one of those boat things, perhaps.
Unless you guys have come up with something new --- this was always considered "steel beach" ..... and a welcome day off while at sea ....
Officer's Beach (1st pix) was usually reserved for the roundown ....
all photos by A4sForever
That top left picture is a little odd (there's a euphemism for you) looking, actually.
Rolling the Dice
I was introduced to the dice cup in the Pentagon in 1977 even before I went to Pensacola as the "cup came out" every day at 1630 after the passageway door was locked. Everyone in office sat around a table and the beer fridge was unlooked. Whoever lost was responsible for getting beer into the fridge for the next day. We rolled one round for the beer and another for the hot Spanish Peanuts that had to be brought in from the concourse precisely at 1629. It taught me the rules so I was ready for instructors at PCola who always "brought out the cup" when the Mustin back bar was full of students. Just like 5 card stud, you got to know the odds and a bit of strategy. Like Huggy and A4s, I've heard no name attached to "rolling the dice" and various names like "Horse and Hammer" or even just plain "Dice". Regardless, there are some wise sayings/rules when it comes to playing:
1. ALWAYS preflight the cup when it is passed to you (you buy a round if less than 5 come out of cup and some folks are known to take advantage of that).
2. Don't stack the dice (you need a technique that ensures they all land bt themselves).
3. While ensuring your dice don't stack, make sure one or more don't leave the playing surface.
4. First person eliminated has to make sure drinks arrive before game concludes (challenging in a large roll and/or crowded bar; make sure to take care of the bartender if he/she cooperates; Fallon uses tokens to make it easy on first person out).
5. Five of a kind is an auto-out (aces are always wild) and some bars use 4 of of a kind...make sure the rules are announced before you roll, but five aces sets you up to buy the house (at a real Naval Aviation Bar, you'll be duly inscribed on a plaque though).
6. Speaking of real Naval Aviation Bars, look for a plaque with the house rules in case there's a variation from the way you're used to play.
7. "You'll never get hurt in a big roll".....(great saying, but at least one person will lose, but more that play, the less chance you'll lose and savvy players figure their odds are low if there are neophytes present especially if they go to the finals with one).
And if you make the finals....(best of three alternating starts after a one dice simo-piddle)
1. "Six savers" never win (in the finals)
2. If you get trash on first or even second roll, only thing worth saving is an ace
3. If you are rolling first. you want to give your opponent the least amount of rolls to come back at you so you need to learn what is "fleet average" and what can be reasonably improved to a winning roll.
4. If you lose, the bartender will be looking for you to settle up so it's time to magnanimuosly declare "Beer for my friends!" and pull out your wallet with a smile on your face even if you just bought a round of twenty drinks.
5. If you lose, you now "own the cup" so "bring it out" again immediately (odds are you'll be safe....this time).
So if you're new to Naval Aviation, you might want to watch out for the Dice Cup and Klondike and friendly Fleet Aviators inviting you to partake in a rite of passage. Just got to learn the ropes and it can be a lot of fun and somewhat rewarding.
If you played for drinks at the bar, it was probably Ship, Captain, and Crew .... a.k.a. "6,5,4" in some other jurisdictions, but not the U.S. Navy. A slight variant to the game is "Ace high in the P.I." ....
I was introduced to the dice cup in the Pentagon in 1977 even before I went to Pensacola as the "cup came out" every day at 1630 after the passageway door was locked. Everyone in office sat around a table and the beer fridge was unlooked. Whoever lost was responsible for getting beer into the fridge for the next day. We rolled one round for the beer and another for the hot Spanish Peanuts that had to be brought in from the concourse precisely at 1629. It taught me the rules so I was ready for instructors at PCola who always "brought out the cup" when the Mustin back bar was full of students. Just like 5 card stud, you got to know the odds and a bit of strategy. Like Huggy and A4s, I've heard no name attached to "rolling the dice" and various names like "Horse and Hammer" or even just plain "Dice". Regardless, there are some wise sayings/rules when it comes to playing:
1. ALWAYS preflight the cup when it is passed to you (you buy a round if less than 5 come out of cup and some folks are known to take advantage of that).
2. Don't stack the dice (you need a technique that ensures they all land bt themselves).
3. While ensuring your dice don't stack, make sure one or more don't leave the playing surface.
4. First person eliminated has to make sure drinks arrive before game concludes (challenging in a large roll and/or crowded bar; make sure to take care of the bartender if he/she cooperates; Fallon uses tokens to make it easy on first person out).
5. Five of a kind is an auto-out (aces are always wild) and some bars use 4 of of a kind...make sure the rules are announced before you roll, but five aces sets you up to buy the house (at a real Naval Aviation Bar, you'll be duly inscribed on a plaque though).
6. Speaking of real Naval Aviation Bars, look for a plaque with the house rules in case there's a variation from the way you're used to play.
7. "You'll never get hurt in a big roll".....(great saying, but at least one person will lose, but more that play, the less chance you'll lose and savvy players figure their odds are low if there are neophytes present especially if they go to the finals with one).
And if you make the finals....(best of three alternating starts after a one dice simo-piddle)
1. "Six savers" never win (in the finals)
2. If you get trash on first or even second roll, only thing worth saving is an ace
3. If you are rolling first. you want to give your opponent the least amount of rolls to come back at you so you need to learn what is "fleet average" and what can be reasonably improved to a winning roll.
4. If you lose, the bartender will be looking for you to settle up so it's time to magnanimuosly declare "Beer for my friends!" and pull out your wallet with a smile on your face even if you just bought a round of twenty drinks.
5. If you lose, you now "own the cup" so "bring it out" again immediately (odds are you'll be safe....this time).
So if you're new to Naval Aviation, you might want to watch out for the Dice Cup and Klondike and friendly Fleet Aviators inviting you to partake in a rite of passage. Just got to learn the ropes and it can be a lot of fun and somewhat rewarding.
You piddled to see who would roll first in the last round IIRC. Been a while and I've killed a brain cell or two since then.
Harrier Dude
Living the dream
One die was gently flipped with one finger to see who went first in the 3 roll (2 out of 3) final round.
ATTACK PILOTS DON'T PIDDLE!
The way I've seen it (with attack guys) was that they both offered the other guy the chance to go first. It doesn't really matter who does, though.
I would routinely go weeks without paying for a drink by playing, but every now and then I'd "win" (we always called it "winning" when you were the last guy standing) and that would pretty much make up for any savings over the previous weeks. I think my record was something like a $200 tab when I "won". That's great fun to tell your wife about later.
A4s, those grills are the same ones we still use now for Steel beach.
Somethings never change.
On the Big E in 89 while on station in the GOO, we launched an Alert 15 out of a Steel Beach picnic on a "inbound Iraninan F-4 out of Jask" tipper call.
The purported inbound ended up being a very reflective oil rig. Damn it.
Food, grills, everything that couldn't get wheeled onto an elevator and lowered prior to the launch was thrown over the side.
So much for that Steel Beach.
Somethings never change.
On the Big E in 89 while on station in the GOO, we launched an Alert 15 out of a Steel Beach picnic on a "inbound Iraninan F-4 out of Jask" tipper call.
The purported inbound ended up being a very reflective oil rig. Damn it.
Food, grills, everything that couldn't get wheeled onto an elevator and lowered prior to the launch was thrown over the side.
So much for that Steel Beach.