Downloading Music & SCI

[RHPF]

I was reading about security investigations and learned that some guy lost his SCI clearance based on a lifestyle polygraph that among other things included that he admitted downloading music.

That seems pretty crazy to me, I assume that much like a wide proportion of the U.S. that file-sharing would be a somewhat common albeit illegal (speeding, parking tickets, etc, being in the same boat) activity. Obviously copyright infringement being the issue it is, I would recommend against anyone posting that they violate copyrights, but I am curious if it is a common item in the fleet (what do you "see"/see)? Seems crazy to think 20 years from now I could be getting polygraphed about my music habits in college.

Edit: BTW the reason I posted this is to find out if this is true, and of course if other things like that are (and perhaps examples). There are somethings that I imagine a lot of very well meaning, otherwise trustworthy people, might do that could apparently cause problems. Like if one day you found out if you got ever a parking ticket you couldn't get a certain clearance. Obviously that won't happen, but the grey line seems move more and more in that direction as time goes on.

 

[Pugs]

I was reading about security investigations and learned that some guy lost his SCI clearance based on a lifestyle polygraph that among other things included that he admitted downloading music.

I find it hard to believe based upon my lifestyle poly experiences (several). Everyone's gotten speeding tickets or parking tickets or something similar. The poly is about detecting falsehood. If they ask tell them but I've never heard of anything like that being asked. They will not deny you a security clearance solely on something like that.

 

[Brett327]

I find it hard to believe based upon my lifestyle poly experiences (several). Everyone's gotten speeding tickets or parking tickets or something similar. The poly is about detecting falsehood. If they ask tell them but I've never heard of anything like that being asked. They will not deny you a security clearance solely on something like that.

Additionally, you're not likely to be subject to that kind of poly as an aviator. I've worked in the TS/SCI world for the last 8 years and I've never heard of anyone getting one of those. The lifestyle poly is usually reserved for specific fields/billets within the IC.

Brett

 

[Goober]

If you're military (and only in a specific billet requiring it), you won't be getting a lifestyle anyway. It's a counter-intelligence scope poly focusing on specific areas. Lifestyle is typically limited to civilian personnel. A poly itself is not a requirement for SCI eligibility.

Pugs, please chime in as you deem appropriate, sir - I'm just going off what I've seen (wrt a couple of agencies).

 

[Flash]

If you're military (and only in a specific billet requiring it), you won't be getting a lifestyle anyway. It's a counter-intelligence scope poly focusing on specific areas. Lifestyle is typically limited to civilian personnel. A poly itself is not a requirement for SCI eligibility.

Pugs, please chime in as you deem appropriate, sir - I'm just going off what I've seen (wrt a couple of agencies).

As far as I know if you go to certain agencies as a servicemember, civilian or contractor, you get a lifestyle poly. I have known plenty of guys in uniform who have a lifestyle poly........cha-ching$$!

 

[A4sForever]

Lifestyle polygraph??

Got 'em for two of my three airlines ... my philosophy was clean in mind, clean in body ... take your pick -- I passed 'em all -- go figure.

 

[Flash]

Lifestyle polygraph??

Got 'em for two of my three airlines ... my philosophy was clean in mind, clean in body ... take your pick -- I passed 'em all -- go figure.

Did they 'probe' you too?

 

[Brett327]

Did they 'probe' you too?

Of course, he denied them his essence.

Brett

 

[A4sForever]

Did they 'probe' you too?

Every six months .... and you knew "they" were serious about "probing questions" when my AME would get a running start from across the room ... ..... but; like Brett said ....

 

[Flash]

Of course, he denied them his essence.

Brett

Good one, damn fluoride........

 

[Goober]

As far as I know if you go to certain agencies as a servicemember, civilian or contractor, you get a lifestyle poly. I have known plenty of guys in uniform who have a lifestyle poly........cha-ching$$!

Can only think of one, maybe two (if you count FBI). Mine didn't, neither did the guys w/ the slush fund. Then again, those other guys tend to make their own rules anyway.

 

[Flash]

Every six months .... and you knew "they" were serious about "probing questions" when my AME would get a running start from across the room ... ..... but; like Brett said ....

Moooonnnnn Riverrrrr........

Any more movie references that I can post pictures on.......?

 

[A4sForever]

During one of my airline screening "lifestyle" poly's ... the examiner -- a retired Navy CPO -- got right to the heart of the matter when he asked:

"Well, well, well .... I see you were a Navy Loooo-tenant .... so tell me this, Loooo-tenant .... EXCEPT for the U.S. Navy, HAVE YOU EVER STOLEN FROM A FORMER EMPLOYER ... "!!!???

 

[Flying Low]

I wonder how good polygraphs actually are? I think in only one state it is admissible.

 

[Brett327]

I wonder how good polygraphs actually are? I think in only one state it is admissible.

The point of it isn't to prosecute anyone. Regardless of their accuracy, the administering agencies place enough stock in them to use as a basis for hiring and firing.

Brett