stevo01
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true. That was pretty funny.
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What percent get winged?
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true. That was pretty funny.
And come to think of it, I knew a few pretty good 04 navy pilots who didn't make it. So I will quote myself and say that I am wrong, that it is farther down than 99% significantly...
Are they scattered throughout the syllabus, or does one phase tend to cause a lot of the attrites?
It was my understanding that the NSS system is designed so that a certain percentage fail no matter what (comes from one of the guys in ops). Not from each class but over time.
That is retarded. :icon_rage I guess you think you have some balls for saying something like that before you get winged, but would have the balls to say that to someone's face? I've seen too many good people wash out to sit by and let them be branded lazy/spineless. I don't care how good you think you are in the plane, you have no right to sit around and pass judgement like that.
Chill out dude, its not like he was saying something that extreme. Thats his way of telling someone looking at giving it a shot that if you work hard and study hard you have a very good chance at getting through. I don't think it was a personal attack on anybody.
That is not how it happened either. Don't start labeling the guy a d-bag and ruining his rep in the VTs if you don't know the story. Of course the guys it happened to are going to say "I just had a beer at lunch 2 hours before."
1) The break for lunch was from 0900-1100. Going to have a beer, even if it is just one, at 0900 when you have high risk training later that day is bad headwork.
2) Don't brag about going home and playing 3 games of beer pong if you only went to the club for a beer with chow.
3) You don't smell of booze from one beer 2 hours after you drank it.
4) It turns out the guys had been drinking the night before and they put on the questionnaire that they hadn't. That integrity violation alone is enough to end someone's "young career."
Would you let a guy who smelled like booze fly with you? What if he told you he only had one beer two hours ago?
Bottom line is, these guys made some mistakes due to bad judgement and were punished for it. They were nice guys and atleast the Navy kept them around.
Myth Busted
Let's not get into a pissing match about what happened, arguing about it here is not going to get you anywhere.
And just FYI, you can smell liquor on someone well after they have been drinking, even after just one beer. Just ask the Island County Sheriff who pulled me over on July 4th a few years ago, he had me do a field sobriety test after smelling beer on my breath........five hours after I had one. I pased with flying colors........
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phrogpilot73
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Situational Dependent. I've flown smelling like booze, and I've had crewmembers that have flown smelling like booze. We were both outside our 12 hours, and were more than capable of being an effective crewmember. I once had a crewchief that reeked of booze, could barely talk, and looked like he was going to pass out at any moment. I did not fly with him that day - how did I handle it? I let the SNCO's handle it. I went to Flightline and told the SNCOIC that I needed a new crewchief, and why. I ended up flying with the SNCOIC, and that kid rode the bench. Again, situational dependent.
He's done. 12 hours bottle to flight planning, it's in OPNAV, and he should know better.
HSSARtoNFO
New Member
Simple response
I'm prior enlisted, getting commissioned soon and heading down this path, and from my 7 years of experience of jumping through hoops(Aircrew school, SAR school, SERE, "A" school, FRS, NSI, NROTC, and everything in between), no school in the Navy is difficult to get through. Sure you have to work hard, but the only reasons I've seen people attrite are due to either medical, being as sharp as a marble, or most commonly, they quit due to a lack of mental strength because they are too worried. Oh yeah, and back to dumb, they get a DUI or do something else stupid.
Every school tells you their going to feed you information with a firehouse and on and on and on and as long as you are somewhat inteligent, you will pass. I had 2 pilots in my squadron, in the FLEET, get booted after about a year because they literally could not land the helo without slamming into the ground, and none of the crewman wanted to fly with them. So if they made it through training without proving that they could even land the damn thing, then you have no need to worry, unless your a moron.
I'm prior enlisted, getting commissioned soon and heading down this path, and from my 7 years of experience of jumping through hoops(Aircrew school, SAR school, SERE, "A" school, FRS, NSI, NROTC, and everything in between), no school in the Navy is difficult to get through. Sure you have to work hard, but the only reasons I've seen people attrite are due to either medical, being as sharp as a marble, or most commonly, they quit due to a lack of mental strength because they are too worried. Oh yeah, and back to dumb, they get a DUI or do something else stupid.
Every school tells you their going to feed you information with a firehouse and on and on and on and as long as you are somewhat inteligent, you will pass. I had 2 pilots in my squadron, in the FLEET, get booted after about a year because they literally could not land the helo without slamming into the ground, and none of the crewman wanted to fly with them. So if they made it through training without proving that they could even land the damn thing, then you have no need to worry, unless your a moron.
HSSARtoNFO
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Navy schools are pumps, not filters.
Navy schools are pumps, not filters.
...have no basis to comment about the difficulty of flight school.
Ain't nothing personal, that's just how it is. I was enlisted for 10+ years before I got commissioned and flight training is just different from A school/MOS training and the professional development schools you attend as an enlisted sailor/Marine.
HSSARtoNFO said:
Again, save this kind of statement until you've actually completed the training.