Salute a warrant officer?

[The Chief]

If the CPOs berate the ENS, then the PO1s will start.. Then the PO2s, etc...Breaks down the chain of command and can snowball.

Insubordination, zero tolerance. For the benefit of your men, you need to learn that, teach that, preach that.

 

[bert]

We had a situation somewhat similar to that during my boat tour. A Senior Chief heard of the incident from a EN3 that witnessed it and let us (the senior LTs) know. The Chief's Mess fixed the Chief, and we fixed the ENS (who had actually been in the right, but lacked the sack to stand up to the chief).

As anybody who was awake during junior high english knows, a man ought to be willing and able to shoot his own dog. While I realize that some will be better than others, I have yet to run across a Chief's Mess that wasn't willing to police their own. And I don't doubt that if they weren't, the Mustangs would do it for them.

 

[The Chief]

No, that would never happen.
Brett

Technical point you are correct. Cannot accomplish with NJP, requires court martial. Quickly add, was that way in the old Navy, unless the CPO was under an acting appointment, which all CPOs were for a period of 3 years after initial appointment, as I recall. Think I carried around an "A", not the scarlet kind, for some 3 years

Belated happy birthday to all the Chiefs. April 1, some 114 or 115 cannot remember, the rank of CPO was established. The rank is unique, no other service has anything like it, well maybe will give CG a pass.

 

[Brett327]

Technical point you are correct. Cannot accomplish with NJP, requires court martial. Quickly add, was that way in the old Navy, unless the CPO was under an acting appointment, which all CPOs were for a period of 3 years after initial appointment, as I recall. Think I carried around an "A", not the scarlet kind, for some 3 years

Belated happy birthday to all the Chiefs. April 1, some 114 or 115 cannot remember, the rank of CPO was established. The rank is unique, no other service has anything like it, well maybe will give CG a pass.

Technical or otherwise, I can't imagine a situation where a CO would initiate that kind of action for merely lighting up a JO. There would have to have been a pattern of such behavior or other aggravating circumstances. Never seen or heard of anything like it.

Brett

 

[Pugs]

Technical or otherwise, I can't imagine a situation where a CO would initiate that kind of action for merely lighting up a JO. There would have to have been a pattern of such behavior or other aggravating circumstances. Never seen or heard of anything like it.

Brett

Agree, Did hear one CMC deal with a SCPO who had apparently not handled a situation with one of our stash Ensigns well. It was about 2100 and I was working late and pretty much anyone on the second deck heard that even with the doors closed. Suspect that was better corrective action than anything the CO could have done.

 

[Brett327]

Come one Brett, telling an ensign to get him a cup of coffee in that manner and tone is not merely lighting him up. An instance like that is done with the intent to humiliate...and to do it in front of other E's just shows that the chief was trying to embarass the guy and show who was boss, and that is more than lighting him up. Lighting the guy up would be taking him behind close doors when nobody is around.

Nevertheless, I've still never heard of such a thing. What was the outcome of your incident?

Brett

 

[Stearmann4]

telling an ensign to get him a cup of coffee in that manner. An instance like that is done with the intent to humiliate...and to do it in front of other E's just shows that the chief was trying to embarass the guy and show who was boss,

That story is indicative of a Chief (Who may very well be nothing more than an E-7), who earns no respect from his peers or subordinates, and saw the ENS as an opportunity to exhibit his power (perceived). Typical lunch money victim progression.

Unfortunately, while behind closed doors, the Chief's Mess may babble about snot-nosed ENSs, those same officers will soon be DIV Os, XO's, etc. If they don't receive solid, patient (limited) guidance from Chiefs early in their careers, the E-men are only screwing themselves.

Former ADC(SEAL) -

 

[pilot_man]

You make sure that you get the respect you deserve from the warrants. If they don't call you sir or salute you, lock them up, take a moment to gently explain that all their time enlisted and their years as a chief doesn't matter. Point out that they are not "real" officers, and that the most junior ensign still outrates the most senior WO-5. It may be worth mentioning that they are overpaid, since an ensign can do the same job (probably better, due to college of course) for much less money. Finally, you should probably do this to a large group of warrants at the same time, you know, just to save you from having to repeat yourself too often.

Be strong. Let me know how it goes.

I'm going to try that today on our WO. These guys only work 12-16 hours a day, and have been in the Navy forever, but Huggy is right, all of that college experience really pays off.:icon_smil

 

[BlackBearHockey]

I thought it would be obvious that experience takes a backseat to the gen ed required online art history course, I'm surprised some of you are taking so long to catch on.

 

[Kickflip89]

You make sure that you get the respect you deserve from the warrants. If they don't call you sir or salute you, lock them up, take a moment to gently explain that all their time enlisted and their years as a chief doesn't matter. Point out that they are not "real" officers, and that the most junior ensign still outrates the most senior WO-5. It may be worth mentioning that they are overpaid, since an ensign can do the same job (probably better, due to college of course) for much less money. Finally, you should probably do this to a large group of warrants at the same time, you know, just to save you from having to repeat yourself too often.

Be strong. Let me know how it goes.

And for those of us who have been in college for even MORE than 4 years...well we're even more justified in demanding respect from WOs and senior enlisted, since we have even more college experience than the average JO.

Working over 12 hours a day in the fleet for longer than I've been in college is no substitute for sleeping through classes and playing soccer for credit. It's not even CLOSE.

 

[zab1001]

Yeah, we've hit max stupid. Locked.

 

[Steve Wilkins]

I always called the Warrants by their first name, and they called me by mine. This was both before and after I made LT. If you're worried about getting saluted by a warrant or being called sir, you have bigger problems to worry about.