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Foreign Policy Shifts?
- Thread starter Randy Daytona
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Do you know what feminism is? Because what you are describing really ain't it, just some of the more extreme offshoots.
That's great, but there are a lot of folks who go too far and oppose families that aren't 'traditional' relationships both morally and policy-wise.
Politicians and religious leaders who loudly champion 'traditional families' and restrictive/discriminatory policies but lead lives that are anything but are not limited to former governors turned ambassadors but are a significant and influential part of politics in this country nowadays. To claim otherwise is to be willfully ignorant.
Since the data you presented does actually show women spending more time doing household activities, I guess we’ll just have to debate the meaning of “not that large.” There’s probably some really interesting questions we could ask about why women who work work less hours and those hours are replaced by unpaid labor at home. We should find some smart scientists to look into that. I’m going to guess they’re not going to find “Men are actually better at chores because they’re stronger.” I wonder if they’ve looked at such gems as “those studies don’t count all my manly things like lawn work and house repair” (spoiler alert: they have!).
As for the second sentence, I applaud your consistency with your intellectual stance of “anyone who disagrees with my preconceived notions is biased and not worthy of consideration.”
I disagree. What I'm describing is people are starting to raise their hands with concern about what can happen in the future (basically a generation or two away).
And there I agree, but that's a "today" problem.
My overall point is what I posted about was the rising concern about the future, where you are talking about the very real problem of today. Both are obviously important.
Welp, we gotta solve today's problems so we can be around to tackle tomorrow's. As a bonus, solving the "today" problem helps with the 1-2 generations down the line that has you concerned.
Broad brush.
As was mentioned above you, can champion family values without endorsing restrictive or discriminatory policies, and while there absolutely are hypocrites in the family values camp ( hypocrisy being a human behavior not reserved for any particular persuasion or group) the fact remains that all those who quietly adhere to those values, just don't make the news because it is not sensational or rhetorical ammunition. I for one could not say hypocritical proponents of the value of the family unit in society have more or less influence than those who honestly live out the virtues they are promoting.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
I'mma tell my teenage daughter that if she's not sure what to study in college then all she needs to do is go to a local construction site, give the foreman a firm handshake, and start sawing 2 by 4s.
My point is that this discussion about the trades is extremely teenage-male oriented.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
Fantastic. You're not talking to any of those people in this thread, so what's your point about bringing 'them' up? They are the yin and yang of the gay middle aged man who approached me wearing nothing but a bow-tie when I was walking around San Francisco with my then 10 year old daughter. Extreme ends of the spectrum. Fast forward several years and she's still way more upset / scarred about the encounter than I originally was. Or the gay men who go 'bug chasing.'
The only difference is that if a hyper-religious boss starts bringing scripture to work to imply bigotry / discrimination, I can file a complaint and get him fired. If an openly gay boss starts sexually harassing me and I file a complaint, I'll get myself fired (which actually happened to me prior to military service).
While I don't have a personal experience of being molested by a priest who's about to give a sermon on the evils of birth control and abortion (mostly because I never went to church, so that allowed me to use the 'avoid' tactic in ORM), they're pretty much joined at the same part of the circle with the 'progressive' left in my mind, in the same way if you were an average joe in Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia, you would not be able to tell the difference between communism and national socialism.
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Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
Says the guy who believes women shouting on social media over the BLS.
No, just the BLS data you posted that showed women do more household work and there's a gap in unpaid labor.
Where in my post did I suggest only young men should look at the trades?
Reading this and your other posts, you’re bringing a lot of personal baggage into this discussion and going on the attack. Why?
They're the ones in charge or advising those that are, that's why.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
You didn't, it's just an underlying assumption / implication typical in the discussion.
Women typically don't desire to pursue the trade jobs and the ones they do pursue (e.g. beautician, child care, cleaning services) are extremely low paying or require college education (e.g. nursing, healthcare technician, dental hygienist, etc). Since we're all shaking our fist at "everyone goes to college, even your mom," we can eliminate the latter category.
Time is also money in the trades, so if a woman can't out lift / out haul / out work the average guy in a physically demanding job (which my daughter cannot, but you didn't know that) then she's not going to last long on the job site. Suffice to say, that's going to naturally weed out the majority of women even if they wanted to work "masculine" trade jobs.
This isn't baggage, just broad demographic trends.
Aside from "why go to college when you can just be a plumber" is way easier said than done for a 18 year old young man due to a myriad of reasons that range from discrimination to practical economics to nepotism, saying that to a 16 year old girl is somewhere between extremely uncommon and frowned upon.
We are mostly filling the labor demand for trades (of both genders) with latin American immigration. Sustainable? Probably not - they're gonna encourage their kids to go to college, too.
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Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
Trump is not an evangelical southern Republican. He's a native of NY and only gives a shit about conservative social issues in the 10 seconds surrounding the question.
The only notable member of his cabinet who is not from the Midwest or Florida is the Secretary of Treasury. Susie Wiles is from NJ and Stephen Miller is from CA.
The only person who has been outspoken about traditional family is JD Vance, a native of Ohio, who also supports gay marriage. While his campaign was heavily critical of the Respect for Marriage Act, I believe he would've voted for the revised version of the bill that provided exceptions for religious institutions. But we'll never know.
Either way, your Josh Hawley's (MO) are a fringe sector of the party, offset by your Elizabeth Warren's (MA)
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