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Drug Boat Strike

As nice as that would be, I don’t think that particular “D” party exists anymore. The genuine republicans and the Kennedy/Clinton democrats have all walked away from their respective parties. The primary system we have created ensures that the most partisan rises fastest - the sickness built into that infected the republicans first and now the democrats. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but I doubt the next “D” POTUS candidate will be a moderate by any measure just as I doubt the same for the “R” side of the equation.
The kind of D you’re describing won’t get elected. The average voter won’t have changed that much. I know there are Bernie Bro voices in the party braying, “see, we should have run a far left candidate in 24.” Those voices are wrong, IMO.
 
I think, broadly, we agree. I’m not on the slippery slope, the office of the POTUS is and in my humble opinion needs to be reigned in by Congress regardless of who occupies the office. Clearly the very concept of “war” has changed so much so that separating warfighter from criminal is more and more difficult and the older mechanisms of defining an enemy is hollowed out.
Meh, same ol'e, same ol'e.

The framers of the Constitution didn't envision a standing federal military beyond the Navy, so there are not really restrictions on the President's use of said military; the assumption would be that Congress would declare war before funding and mobilizing a military for the President to employ.

We fucked that all away after WWII and shat all over it with Goldwater-Nichols. The War Powers Act has dubious Constitutionality and SCOTUS wants no part of it. Every President since Truman has found a reason to use lethal military force.

Unless Congress suddenly decides not to fund the military and / or decides to disestablish permanent regional combatant commands, it's not going to change. The President is allowed to use the military that the people give him.
 
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The kind of D you’re describing won’t get elected. The average voter won’t have changed that much. I know there are Bernie Bro voices in the party braying, “see, we should have run a far left candidate in 24.” Those voices are wrong, IMO.
I agree they're wrong. But it's not about "Bernie Bros" anymore but LGBTQ+ / BIPOC.

I think that those voices will dominate the Democratic party in the next 5-10 years and as a result we're about to experience the same Republican string of Presidents we had from the 1970s to 1992, ironically because of non-white Americans who don't embrace the platform.

The D strategy relies on super majorities among specialty groups, which they believe they're entitled to get because LBJ signed a civil rights bill 61 years ago. Thanks to shifting demographics they now only have one with the third most populous non-white population in the country, the roughly 25% of population who are white women with college degrees, and the roughly 10% of the population who are LGBTQ. That's not going to carry them.
 
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There are many thoughtful and reasonable ways to discuss the impact of illegal drugs on American society. We can discuss the realities and practicalities of legalization. We can ponder the effectiveness of post-addiction treatments vs “Just Say No” programs in school. We can call for studies on the genetics and psychology of addiction, or call for stricter enforcement of the laws by getting more police on the streets.

We can do all of that and more, but to cry “murder” over a few drug runners while trying to stand on the impossibly thin line of “enemy combatants” vs “criminal suspects” after the last several years of sanctioned extrajudicial killings is pedantic at best, but more pathetic.

Here’s another way to look at it…
How many U.S. service members have been killed by fatal drug overdose? 322 (between 2017 and 2021).
POW! Magic! It was done to protect American service members and our national security. There is the legal justification to help you sleep better.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad they murdered/killed bin Laden and his pals and I won’t waste a moment worrying over what happened to some “criminal suspects” in the open water.
This isn't a drug use problem.

This is a China has partnered with international criminal organizations, who have penetrated every level of government in over a half dozen different countries, in order to conduct gray zone operations against the US vis a vis fentanyl problem. And in the meantime, cartels killing and kidnapping US citizens is an added bonus.

South America was part of the Cold War with Russia, it's part of our "this isn't a Cold War" with China.

Cartels have their own paramilitary forces and can defeat the federal armies of their host nations in ground combat - at least enough to make the government look the other way.

Further reading (from the Biden administration):


The fact that our 24/7 news cycle ignores TCOs doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist.
 
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But it's not about "Bernie Bros" anymore but LGBTQ+ / BIPOC.

I think that those voices will dominate the Democratic party in the next 5-10 years
I think the opposite is true. My sense is that Dems have turned the corner on their unqualified support for those fringe groups (rightfully so), as they understand just how much that support cost them with their base. You can see that Newsom has been the first to do so overtly. There will be others.
 
This isn't a drug use problem.

This is a China has partnered with international criminal organizations, who have penetrated every level of government in over a half dozen different countries, in order to conduct gray zone operations against the US vis a vis fentanyl problem. And in the meantime, cartels killing and kidnapping US citizens is an added bonus.

South America was part of the Cold War with Russia, it's part of our "this isn't a Cold War" with China.

Cartels have their own paramilitary forces and can defeat the federal armies of their host nations in ground combat - at least enough to make the government look the other way.

Further reading (from the Biden administration):


The fact that our 24/7 news cycle ignores TCOs doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist.
It’s definitely a grey zone, but defeating our demand problem is the first step. How to do that, I don’t know because I hunt submarines for a living, but if we didn’t have people who wanted this stuff it could help. I only watch TV news in the morning before I go to work and I have CNN on then and there I’m seeing Trump admin ads exhorting how drugs are bad. How effective those ads are who knows (see Nancy Reagan) but those I support.
 
It’s definitely a grey zone, but defeating our demand problem is the first step. How to do that, I don’t know because I hunt submarines for a living, but if we didn’t have people who wanted this stuff it could help. I only watch TV news in the morning before I go to work and I have CNN on then and there I’m seeing Trump admin ads exhorting how drugs are bad. How effective those ads are who knows (see Nancy Reagan) but those I support.
Not mutually exclusive.

The "War on Drugs" has a lot of negative connotations with the Reagan and Clinton administrations and disproportionate incarceration of black Americans. Tying this back to @Brett327's post: another flaw of the modern Democratic party is their philosophy that the criminal justice system is inherently rigged and a series of reforms that result in non-prosecution of many street criminals. Meanwhile, the GOP has largely just dropped the domestic anti-drug issue because the Tea Party wing of the party won't support it.

However, drug deaths fell rapidly from the 1980s to mid 2000s. Once we declared it a waste of time / intrusive on people's rights in the mid 00s, drug ODs and demand has steadily risen.

As a card-carrying marijuana waiver holder, there were two drugs drilled into me to never try or your life is over: Crack and heroine. I had a NYC cop come to my school in 4th grade to show us what drugs looked like and some pictures of bloods with Glasgow smiles (and their daughters because you have to slit a random victim to get in).

My kids have no drug education at all beyond what we've talked about with them. It's no wonder people believe the internet hype that you can shoot some smack on a Saturday on occasion like it's an ice cream Sunday or something and not build dependency (or die).

Hell, just plain cocaine gives people a 48 hour hangover.

And that's not before trying to convince people that money from legally purchased marijuana ends up in the hands of cartels at the end of the supply chain.

Edit: Anyone else remember this Alf cartoon?
 
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Only thing I would add to your point is the drug causing the deaths has changed. Stemming the opioid crisis is probably the hardest drug problem we’ve faced, and dealing with the inflow is only part of the issue considering how much of it started from legal use to begin with.
 
Not mutually exclusive.

The "War on Drugs" has a lot of negative connotations with the Reagan and Clinton administrations and disproportionate incarceration of black Americans. Tying this back to @Brett327's post: another flaw of the modern Democratic party is their philosophy that the criminal justice system is inherently rigged and a series of reforms that result in non-prosecution of many street criminals. Meanwhile, the GOP has largely just dropped the domestic anti-drug issue because the Tea Party wing of the party won't support it.

However, drug deaths fell rapidly from the 1980s to mid 2000s. Once we declared it a waste of time / intrusive on people's rights in the mid 00s, drug ODs and demand has steadily risen.

As a card-carrying marijuana waiver holder, there were two drugs drilled into me to never try or your life is over: Crack and heroine. I had a NYC cop come to my school in 4th grade to show us what drugs looked like and some pictures of bloods with Glasgow smiles (and their daughters because you have to slit a random victim to get in).

My kids have no drug education at all beyond what we've talked about with them. It's no wonder people believe the internet hype that you can shoot some smack on a Saturday on occasion like it's an ice cream Sunday or something and not build dependency (or die).

Hell, just plain cocaine gives people a 48 hour hangover.

And that's not before trying to convince people that money from legally purchased marijuana ends up in the hands of cartels at the end of the supply chain.

Edit: Anyone else remember this Alf cartoon?

I haven't seen the casual heroin usage memes yet. Is that actually on tik tok or is that an AI post on your fb news feed?

Also pretty dubious claim that legal MJ vendors are getting supplied by cartels. There is a good argument that over regulation tied to legal MJ drives up inefficiencies and costs such that the average consumer is motivated to go to the black market for much cheaper product. But what % of cartel activity is tied to MJ? Like Tim meadows says in Dewey Cox, "its the cheapest drug there is"
 
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