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Non DH SWO Signers? What do they do with you after your 2nd DIVO Tour??

GuamLife1

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What the hell do they do to the folks that don't sign SWO DH? They keep moving you around until your FOS?? Anyone do this? After your "traditional shore tour" of not signing DH do they keep just you moving you around until you FOS?
 
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Hair Warrior

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What the hell do they do to the folks that don't sign SWO DH? They keep moving you around until your FOS?? Anyone do this? After your "traditional shore tour" of not signing DH do they keep just you moving you around until you FOS?
They would get considered 2x by the O4 Line Board. If they get selected, they keep going, and that means having a detailer who details you. And a detailer can still try to get you to take DH orders even if you didn’t take the signing bonus.

The individual can also elect to steer their career down a number of paths, too. SWO has a lot. Coastal Riverine, PCs/MCMs, etc. Also lots of generic URL staff jobs ashore. He or she can apply to redesignate to another career field, such as EDO or FAO. He or she can go SELRES, FTS, or IRR.

But pragmatically, SWO has a high attrition rate at 5-10 yrs (“SWO-n-go”) and my perspective is that it generally seems to force-shape itself. If you plan to stay for 20 yrs active anyway, and you don’t wish to redes, you might as well take the DH bonus and pocket that cash.
 

Bergers2short

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The individual can also elect to steer their career down a number of paths, too. SWO has a lot. Coastal Riverine, PCs/MCMs, etc.

From my understanding, PC and MCM (maybe RIVRON?) O-3/O-4 jobs are early command and very competitive. So I wouldn't want someone to get the impression that they can land those jobs to avoid their 2 DH tours. I'm not sure how likely it would be for someone to not get DH orders if they haven't signed the DH bonus but their FITREP recommends DH selection. Like Hair Warrior said, I think that pragmatically most of us leave before giving PERS the chance to screw us with a DH tour.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

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Have you asked your Detailer? Or a DH / XO / CO?

You don’t have to show your deck of cards and say you don’t plan on signing/committing to SWO DH, but simply you are weighing all options which include not going to DH school.

From what I recall, you may still be “screened” as a DH but can decline going to SWOS/SWSC for DH schooling. After your second DIVO tour you’ll likely go to shore duty for 2-3 years and then you can reslate to another shore duty role, which will take you to around 10 YCS.

Concerning 2x FOS for O-4, there’s a SECNAVINST concerning such with those with prior service.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

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Have you asked your Detailer? Or a DH / XO / CO?

You don’t have to show your deck of cards and say you don’t plan on signing/committing to SWO DH, but simply you are weighing all options which include not going to DH school.

From what I recall, you may still be “screened” as a DH but can decline going to SWOS/SWSC for DH schooling. After your second DIVO tour you’ll likely go to shore duty for 2-3 years and then you can reslate to another shore duty role, which will take you to around 10 YCS.

Concerning 2x FOS for O-4, there’s a SECNAVINST concerning such with those with prior service.

Another input:

If you relate to another shore duty gig, be advised it might not be one that you desire. The geo bach billets in Bahrain, Diego Garcia, etc. have to go to somebody…
 

AllAmerican75

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What the hell do they do to the folks that don't sign SWO DH? They keep moving you around until your FOS?? Anyone do this? After your "traditional shore tour" of not signing DH do they keep just you moving you around until you FOS?
You used to be able to move around but that became an issue with too many O3s on the books. You will not get the option to FOS twice as you will receive orders to DH school so that you arrive in Newport sometime around the 7.5 year mark. The best option you have is to extend as long as possible on your shore tour and tell PERS-41 that you are getting out. That will likely let you serve up until the 8 year mark at which point you can pop smoke. PERS-41 assumes that you are due course and will go to DH school unless you tell them otherwise.


They would get considered 2x by the O4 Line Board. If they get selected, they keep going, and that means having a detailer who details you. And a detailer can still try to get you to take DH orders even if you didn’t take the signing bonus.

The individual can also elect to steer their career down a number of paths, too. SWO has a lot. Coastal Riverine, PCs/MCMs, etc. Also lots of generic URL staff jobs ashore. He or she can apply to redesignate to another career field, such as EDO or FAO. He or she can go SELRES, FTS, or IRR.

But pragmatically, SWO has a high attrition rate at 5-10 yrs (“SWO-n-go”) and my perspective is that it generally seems to force-shape itself. If you plan to stay for 20 yrs active anyway, and you don’t wish to redes, you might as well take the DH bonus and pocket that cash.
You more than likely cannot make a career out of PCs (All being decomm'ed btw), MCMs, and Coastal Riverine (Probably going away very soon with the decomm'ing of the Mk VI boats). Really the only options you have are to go to DH school, redesignate, or get out/go SELRES.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

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You used to be able to move around but that became an issue with too many O3s on the books. You will not get the option to FOS twice as you will receive orders to DH school so that you arrive in Newport sometime around the 7.5 year mark. The best option you have is to extend as long as possible on your shore tour and tell PERS-41 that you are getting out. That will likely let you serve up until the 8 year mark at which point you can pop smoke. PERS-41 assumes that you are due course and will go to DH school unless you tell them otherwise.



You more than likely cannot make a career out of PCs (All being decomm'ed btw), MCMs, and Coastal Riverine (Probably going away very soon with the decomm'ing of the Mk VI boats). Really the only options you have are to go to DH school, redesignate, or get out/go SELRES.

Can’t the OP also reslate to a second shore duty gig? Everyone I know did just that, those most of those jobs/billets were in Bahrain or less desirable places.
 

AllAmerican75

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Can’t the OP also reslate to a second shore duty gig? Everyone I know did just that, those most of those jobs/billets were in Bahrain or less desirable places.
You probably could a few years ago but the current state of things are such that they had too few people at sea. If OP manages to finagle his way out of going to DH school (very hard to do), he will be sent back to sea at the needs of the Navy which means somewhere with zero fun. I know a few people who did a third sea tour and they hated it. Everyone will know that you suck (Most third sea tour JOs are there because they washed out of Nuke school or some other training pipeline) and are likely not going to be promotable so you will get bad FITREPs and will be given the shitty jobs.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

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You probably could a few years ago but the current state of things are such that they had too few people at sea. If OP manages to finagle his way out of going to DH school (very hard to do), he will be sent back to sea at the needs of the Navy which means somewhere with zero fun. I know a few people who did a third sea tour and they hated it. Everyone will know that you suck (Most third sea tour JOs are there because they washed out of Nuke school or some other training pipeline) and are likely not going to be promotable so you will get bad FITREPs and will be given the shitty jobs.

Ahh that makes sense there. So kinda right, just that the billets will be more sea based than shore.
 

Spekkio

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What the hell do they do to the folks that don't sign SWO DH? They keep moving you around until your FOS?? Anyone do this? After your "traditional shore tour" of not signing DH do they keep just you moving you around until you FOS?
I mean, they're called 'orders' for a reason.

You'll get detailed to DH at the appropriate time. If you haven't already submitted a resignation, you're going to be a DH.

If you're talking about people who failed to screen DH, they go to POCR boards and attempt to redesignate or resign.
 

Bergers2short

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You probably could a few years ago but the current state of things are such that they had too few people at sea. If OP manages to finagle his way out of going to DH school (very hard to do), he will be sent back to sea at the needs of the Navy which means somewhere with zero fun. I know a few people who did a third sea tour and they hated it. Everyone will know that you suck (Most third sea tour JOs are there because they washed out of Nuke school or some other training pipeline) and are likely not going to be promotable so you will get bad FITREPs and will be given the shitty jobs.

Pure conjecture, but since DESRON/PHIBRON non-traditional 2nd DIVO sea tours have gone away, that seems like a prime billet for someone who has their pin (so not a 3rd divo tour for remedial purposes) but manages to refuse DH orders. I mostly just feel bad for the poor JO who does 2 sea tours and then gets "shore duty" with an embarked and deploying DESRON...
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

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Pure conjecture, but since DESRON/PHIBRON non-traditional 2nd DIVO sea tours have gone away, that seems like a prime billet for someone who has their pin (so not a 3rd divo tour for remedial purposes) but manages to refuse DH orders. I mostly just feel bad for the poor JO who does 2 sea tours and then gets "shore duty" with an embarked and deploying DESRON...

I have a friend who completed his 2 DH tours and then took a DESRON staff director job. It’s an O-5 spot promote billet too.
 

haubby

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If you do not sign up for the bonus, do not want to be a DH, but want to continue to serve for a couple more years, it is highly unlikely they will send you to DH school against your will. You need to signal your intent to your detailer and they will give you the scraps of whatever divo shore slate is for that particular PRD. You will move to the absolute bottom of the rankings for that shore slate. It is highly likely you will move to somewhere undesirable, maybe. One of my peers did this and became a NOSC XO in Omaha for a few more years after his post divo shore tour at ATG. The cohort who desires this is extremely small. Short answer, talk with your detailer.
 

AllAmerican75

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If you do not sign up for the bonus, do not want to be a DH, but want to continue to serve for a couple more years, it is highly unlikely they will send you to DH school against your will. You need to signal your intent to your detailer and they will give you the scraps of whatever divo shore slate is for that particular PRD. You will move to the absolute bottom of the rankings for that shore slate. It is highly likely you will move to somewhere undesirable, maybe. One of my peers did this and became a NOSC XO in Omaha for a few more years after his post divo shore tour at ATG. The cohort who desires this is extremely small. Short answer, talk with your detailer.
So are the forced orders to DH School a scare tactic? Before I redesignated, my detailer told me that I was going to DH School unless I told them I was getting out of the Navy. This was in 2017 so times change but I can't imagine the retention for SWOs has gotten any better.
 
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