CJCS responds to Rep. Gaetz

[MGoBrew11]

For everyone arguing the whole "boot straps" vs "systemic racism" thing, can't it be a bit of both?

I taught high school in the inner city before I joined the Navy. If I was counseling an individual person, I would tell them that they have the power within their own lives to make changes for the better. I think that is true for everyone. To a certain extent, people do have to pull themselves up. I also think people should be held accountable for their actions and can't just blame the system on everything bad that happens to them.

But at the same time and in the public policy realm, we have to acknowledge the systemic issues that have plagued the US and figure out ways to move forward. I don’t think there is anything wrong with acknowledging that the black experience in America is different than the white one, even today. We have to work towards changing that somehow. What @DanMa1156 was saying earlier about class ranks for example makes a lot of sense.

The kids I taught that were at the top of their class were so disadvantaged compared to the middle of the road kids where I went to high school. They may have had lower ACT scores than the kids at my high school, but as a college admissions officer, I might take one of the kids I taught instead. They had achieved so much with a lot less.

 

[nodropinufaka]

For everyone arguing the whole "boot straps" vs "systemic racism" thing, can't it be a bit of both?

I taught high school in the inner city before I joined the Navy. If I was counseling an individual person, I would tell them that they have the power within their own lives to make changes for the better. I think that is true for everyone. To a certain extent, people do have to pull themselves up. I also think people should be held accountable for their actions and can't just blame the system on everything bad that happens to them.

But at the same time and in the public policy realm, we have to acknowledge the systemic issues that have plagued the US and figure out ways to move forward. I don’t think there is anything wrong with acknowledging that the black experience in America is different than the white one, even today. We have to work towards changing that somehow. What @DanMa1156 was saying earlier about class ranks for example makes a lot of sense.

The kids I taught that were at the top of their class were so disadvantaged compared to the middle of the road kids where I went to high school. They may have had lower ACT scores than the kids at my high school, but as a college admissions officer, I might take one of the kids I taught instead. They had achieved so much with a lot less.

Nailed it.

There definitely has to be accountability for individual choices.

But we also have to acknowledge the different experiences and mechanisms that were in play for the disadvantage to become so large

 

[HAL Pilot]

That doesn't answer my question.

Does that prove systemic racism and oppression doesn't exist?

Actually, let me rephrase. Will people here at least acknowledge systemic racism and oppression still exists in some form in a lot of society?

Racism exist from individuals as does oppression. It is systemic. Maybe once it was in the past, but not any more nor for at least that last 3 generations.

Nice straw man. How many white kids are called racial slurs for getting good grades?

Yet blacks using the n-word is okay. Blacks calling a white guy a cracker is not racist.

Many Black World War II Veterans Were Denied Their GI Bill Benefits. Time to Fix That. - War on the Rocks

During World War II 1,154,486 black Americans served in uniform. Not only did they face continued brutal racism and discrimination when they returned home

warontherocks.com

Black veterans get denied benefits following WWII.

When everyone else prospered they got behind everyone else by a lot.

Once again it is old history and not true for anyone currently in the work force. I huge number of blacks were drafted for Viet Nam yet far fewer of them used their GI Bills than drafted whites. Same opportunity.

I think you got it backwards. These racist individuals are conservatives.

Why they lean that way politically is probably another discussion in itself.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If they aren't libs they are automatically racist. I have news for you, people other than whites can be racist. In Jacksonville, FL the blacks in restaurants refused to serve my Japanese mother-in-law and would instead ask me for her order and hand me her food to pass to her Blacks in corner stores would refuse to sell to her. 1994-96 time frame.

Blacks are just as racist as whites but since they're a "underprivileged historically oppressed" minority, it is ignored or approved.


@nodropinufaka you are obviously racist too. Your statements saying all conservatives and and assuming whites are all racist just demonstrates your own racism and prejudices.

 

[grodonfreeman]

The problem in America today is a direct result of more than 50 years of massive 3rd world immigration. 180,000 migrants arrested at the southern border in MAY ALONE. All them being released into the US. BTW, isn't the USMC about that size? Wasn't the US occupation force in Iraq about 135K 15 years ago?

And just what is the problem? Balkanization.
The Democrat Party is waging demographic warfare on America with the intent to establish one party rule.
And that party is becoming more influenced by Communism with each passing day.

 

[MGoBrew11]

The problem in America today is a direct result of more than 50 years of massive 3rd world immigration. 180,000 migrants arrested at the southern border in MAY ALONE. All them being released into the US. BTW, isn't the USMC about that size? Wasn't the US occupation force in Iraq about 135K 15 years ago?

When did Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York show up?

 

[RandomGoat1248]

The problem in America today is a direct result of more than 50 years of massive 3rd world immigration. 180,000 migrants arrested at the southern border in MAY ALONE. All them being released into the US. BTW, isn't the USMC about that size? Wasn't the US occupation force in Iraq about 135K 15 years ago?

And just what is the problem? Balkanization.

What the fuck? I assume its also the direct result of the Irish?

This is incredibly racist and not based in reality.

 

[nodropinufaka]

Racism exist from individuals as does oppression. It is systemic. Maybe once it was in the past, but not any more nor for at least that last 3 generations.


Yet blacks using the n-word is okay. Blacks calling a white guy a cracker is not racist.


Once again it is old history and not true for anyone currently in the work force. I huge number of blacks were drafted for Viet Nam yet far fewer of them used their GI Bills than drafted whites. Same opportunity.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. If they aren't libs they are automatically racist. I have news for you, people other than whites can be racist. In Jacksonville, FL the blacks in restaurants refused to serve my Japanese mother-in-law and would instead ask me for her order and hand me her food to pass to her Blacks in corner stores would refuse to sell to her. 1994-96 time frame.

Blacks are just as racist as whites but since they're a "underprivileged historically oppressed" minority, it is ignored or approved.


@nodropinufaka you are obviously racist too. Your statements saying all conservatives and and assuming whites are all racist just demonstrates your own racism and prejudices.

3 generations?

The civil rights act was in 1964

BROWN V BOE was 1952

Inequal punishments in the criminal justice system. I.e. Blacks getting 30-40 years for crack while a white individual with money getting probation for cocaine.

Also let’s not forget what the crack epidemic did and Regans “War on Drugs”. Didn’t solve anything but lock up minorities further pushing them down the socioeconomic ladder. Didn’t actually look to address where crack came from.

Or Reagan’s “Gay Plague” and his ignorance of HIV as it spread like a wild fire and left a huge amount of people dead simply cause they were homosexual.
That is hardly 3 generations.

Also go look at some of those policies the individuals enacted- systemic racism.

 

[nodropinufaka]

Also if you want to mention the Vietnam War and blacks not taking advantage of the VA benefits.

Go look at how many low income blacks were drafted into combat arms because of their lower socioeconomic status compared to whites of age for the draft because they were in college- ties directly back to the VA benefits not being given to their parents generation.

what did you want them to do following VNM? They just got involuntarily sent to war by a country who just barely 5-6 years before segregated them. And you expect them to come back from it, likely traumatized, and just pick up and move on? Bootstraps right?


“In the mid-1980s, African American veterans of the Vietnam War were twice as likely as White veterans to experience posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), at a prevalence of 40%.[5] Reasons for the disparity in PTSD prevalence could include social and racial discord during the war, institutional racism within the military, and racism after the war. Black troops were also more likely than White troops to relate to the Vietnamese people as an impoverished, non-white group. Additionally, Black troops were less likely to rationalize brutal violence employed against the Vietnamese, and were significantly more disturbed by it than White troops. It has been speculated that White troops were more able to dehumanize the Vietnamese than Black troops.[14]
According to psychologists Richard Strayer and Lewis Ellenhorn, African American veterans struggled more than other veterans with a return to civilian life and unemployment on the basis of their race.[5]
Black veterans were much less likely to write memoirs about their experiences. A 1997 paper noted that, of almost 400 such memoirs by participants in the Vietnam War, only seven were by African American veterans (less than 2%):[15]”

Military history of African Americans in the Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

All of this is a very good example of Strain theory

Strain theory (sociology) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[HAL Pilot]

3 generations?

The civil rights act was in 1964

BROWN V BOE was 1952

Inequal punishments in the criminal justice system. I.e. Blacks getting 30-40 years for crack while a white individual with money getting probation for cocaine.

Also let’s not forget what the crack epidemic did and Regans “War on Drugs”. Didn’t solve anything but lock up minorities further pushing them down the socioeconomic ladder. Didn’t actually look to address where crack came from.

Or Reagan’s “Gay Plague” and his ignorance of HIV as it spread like a wild fire and left a huge amount of people dead simply cause they were homosexual.
That is hardly 3 generations.

Also go look at some of those policies the individuals enacted- systemic racism.

what did you want them to do following VNM? They just got involuntarily sent to war by a country who just barely 5-6 years before segregated them. And you expect them to come back from it, likely traumatized, and just pick up and move on? Bootstraps right?

Many whites were drafted and those who were drafted also came from non-college exemptions and underprivileged backgrounds. Yet they seemed to return, pick themselves up and move on.

My Dad did 3 tours in Viet Nam. One as a U.S. Infantry company commander, one as a South Vietnamese Marine company advisor and one deep in the providences as a district advisor. He wasn't a REMF and he came back after see the same stuff and moved on.

The point is they had the opportunity and wasted it. That's on them.

But I know, everybody and everything is racist and discriminatory. Even the sun and weather.



It's been fun but I'm tired of arguing with an obvious racist with a victim attitude. You should really self-examine before you throw out accusations and proclamations.

 

[nodropinufaka]

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Very well thought on response

 

[nodropinufaka]

Re-reading it it was nodrop that called them racists.

I’m owning it.
Whether intentional or not their policies were very racist at their core

 

[HAL Pilot]

Very well thought on response

It's as thought out as any of your nonsense.

 

[grodonfreeman]

When did Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York show up?

Laff it up. Me thinks it's you who brings a knife to a gunfight.

 

[nodropinufaka]

It's as thought out as any of your nonsense.

Typical of someone like you.

Someone I know moved on from the Trauma- why can’t they?

My black friends did X,Y, and Z so clearly no issues.

Everyone else is the victim.

what I find absolutely hilarious about this whole ordeal is you spout conservatism and personal responsibility but hugely benefit from a strong airlines union as a HAL pilot.

Unions are fundamentally one of the most liberal policies in existence and collectively take away personal responsibility and move it to a group effort.

But of course, cause it benefits you, it’s okay.

The cognitive dissonance is mind blowing.

 

[nodropinufaka]

National Labor Relations Act of 1935 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

An act opposed by conservatives. But since @HAL Pilot benefits from it then it’s different this time and ok.

“The NLRA was strongly opposed by conservatives and members of the Republican Party, but it was upheld in the Supreme Court case of NLRB v. Jones & Laughlin Steel Corp. The 1947 Taft–Hartley Actamended the NLRA, establishing a series of labor practices for unions and granting states the power to pass right-to-work laws”