What is wrong with the media?

[gorpwarp]

spr,
I don't mind so much about the pay. It probably isn't much either way, but as long as I'm not starving I won't have a fit. If I had a family to support, I'm sure my answer would be different. ...but, I think the other things at stake - education, mercury in the water, the injection of conservative Christian ideology where it doesn't belong, Bush's preference for campaign dinners over military funerals - (I know you'll all call me a hippie) are more important than a difference in pay.

 

[Fly Navy]

spr,
I don't mind so much about the pay. It probably isn't much either way, but as long as I'm not starving I won't have a fit.

How about enlisted troops and sailors that don't have enough money for food and are on food stamps and welfare? You don't mind so much there do you? You have plenty of money and can afford the pay cuts and the high taxes.

 

[gorpwarp]

I like when the lefties use the term "fascist". Why that's associated with right-wing, I don't know. I also like when they use Nazi as an insult. Considering Nazi was the National Socialist Party... Oh well.

The same way "hippie" (or "hippy") is associated with anyone that disagrees with the hard right?

 

[gorpwarp]

How about enlisted troops and sailors that don't have enough money for food and are on food stamps and welfare? You don't mind so much there do you? You have plenty of money and can afford the pay cuts and the high taxes.

If that is indeed the case, then I'm sorry. But my father was enlisted through Carter and some of Clinton, my mom was a stay-at-home, and we had a house, and we weren't starving. It actually wasn't so bad.

 

[Fly Navy]

The same way "hippie" (or "hippy") is associated with anyone that disagrees with the hard right?

Actually, I use "hippy" (or "hippie") rather specifically. It has a set of parameters really. I tend to prefer the more modern term "crunchie" though in some cases though.

 

[Fly Navy]

If that is indeed the case, then I'm sorry. But my father was enlisted through Carter and some of Clinton, my mom was a stay-at-home, and we had a house, and we weren't starving. It actually wasn't so bad.

What was his rank? The issue really hits home when you get an E-1 with a wife and 2 kids. Ever see E-1 pay? It's barely enough for a single person.

 

[gorpwarp]

Ya.. god forbid a little moral be taught in the schools. You know why I was good as a kid? Fear of god, the parents, and because I was raised with a sense of moral. There is an ethical and moral degredation going on in this country, and not that I'm a bible beating right (far from it) I don't agree with the left's steel wall between church and state. We are "one nation UNDER GOD" in a country where people have rights granted by god, not the state....

where's Towbubba when I need him?

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about abortion, I'm talking about stem cell research.

But since you bring up schools. I went to a Catholic school (on scholarship) and was raised with morals. But, what if you were of another religion? Should you have to be subject to the same ideology? Say the same prayers? Be an outcast if you don't? Who dictates which religion should be taught in schools? The President?

Maybe that's the reason you can't come up with substantive arguments for your causes. Because left is evil and right is good, huh, end of story.

 

[gorpwarp]

Enlisted through Carter and some of Clinton? Hmmm... Ford, Reagan and Bush must have fallen off the planet.

Twenty years goes a long way.

 

[Fly Navy]

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about abortion, I'm talking about stem cell research.

But since you bring up schools. I went to a Catholic school (on scholarship) and was raised with morals. But, what if you were of another religion? Should you have to be subject to the same ideology? Say the same prayers? Be an outcast if you don't? Who dictates which religion should be taught in schools? The President?

Maybe that's the reason you can't come up with substantive arguments for your causes. Because left is evil and right is good, huh, end of story.

No one ever said a person of a different religion must say a prayer during a moment of silence. In a country where 80+% of the country is Christian, what do you expect? I knew Jews, Hindus, etc in College. Our commencement had an Invocation by a Chaplain. Didn't phase any of them. They just said their own prayer.

Tyranny of the Minority.

 

[Fly Navy]

Patmack is quite right. Total abolishment and prohibition of anything religious is the same as State controlled religion.

 

[gorpwarp]

Did I say that? No what I said was the left's separation of church and state... no one ever said you HAD to be catholic... but the total admonishment of ANYTHING religious in schools? No prayer time, anything that says the word GOD on it, "under god" in the pledge, etc. etc. Hell teachers have been taken to court by parents for even haveing ethical CONVERSATIONS in class, thats pertitnent to the material. Bush's stance on things like gay marraige, hell yes I agree with him. Abortion, stem cell research, I have my own views, not all of which are formed by religion.... but the general argument from the left (however far you stand) is that gov't should have no religious influence at all... which is just total crap. Thats NOT what the basic foundation of this country was built upon... they automatically assume that anytohing "GOD" must be Christian. GOD, in the true meaning of the word, is a generic wrd for whom ever you worship... God, Allah, little elephants or buddah, whatever....

Why God? Why not Allah be the generic word for whomever you worship? Or Abba? Moments of silence are fine. Discussions about religion are fine, actually really excellent. But saying "this-and-that-under-God" and giving people the option to think inside their heads of whatever their own deity, if any, is not. I am religious, but I know that you don't need religion, of any kind, to be moral. And actually, the basic foundation on which this country was built IS separation of Church and state.. that's why the pilgrims came over here, wasn't it. To escape the Church-state in England.

 

[gorpwarp]

Tyranny of the Minority.

Religion is not democratic. You don't sit 24 kids down and ask them to vote on which religion they should all be.

 

[Fly Navy]

God is the English word. That's why. Last I checked Allah isn't English. I don't speak Arabic or whatever the roots of Allah is.

You should read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. You'd be surprised at how often God is invoked.

You say you don't need religion to be moral. This is true in a sense that you don't have to practice. I was baptized Cathlic, but we didn't practice. But I definitely know that my moral beliefs are Christian in nature. Why? Because that's how our society is.

 

[Fly Navy]

Religion is not democratic. You don't sit 24 kids down and ask them to vote on which religion they should all be.

You also don't sit 24 kids down and tell them they can't utter the word God in a public school because some people don't believe in Him.

 

[petescheu]

It might be nice to believe the media is liberal but it is just not true. The names Sean Hannity, Dennis Miller, Bill O’Reilly, Kudlow & Cramer, Brit Hume, Bill Kristol, Neil Cavuto, Joe Scarbouragh and John Gibson come to mind.

Ok, I know I'm a little late on this one, but in reply (I just had to, the way the media has been acting in the past few months has left me fuming)...

Yes, I have... they actually represent some sort of middle ground for once in the media. Have you ever heard of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, CNN Headline News, NPR, Peter Jennings, John McQuethy (sp?), Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, MSNBC, (notice I listed every MAJOR non cable network that exists along with radio and other cable networks...). Last time I checked, most of the names you listed came off Fox news. No offense, but if you think Fox is right winged biased, you need to open your eyes (and you are obiously left wing). Fox is the middle ground, there is no real right wing on the news. Is there any network that actually prints good news, that actually says hey, the Iraqis are happy the US is there, they appreciate not living under a sadistic dictator anymore? Have you heard any stories of good things Americans have done, how soliders over there are getting shot at every day trying to open schools and build bridges and help the people? I dunno about you, but I sure haven't... actually supporting America? Actually supporting Bush and what he's doing? That's a far cry from reality on any of the media outlets these days. Heaven forbid we support all the people over in Iraq and Afghanistan that are working hard to make sure we don't have another 9/11....