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SNA's Getting Glasses

Torch134

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Any issue getting glasses/contacts once you've started training? Already through primary, I've been 20/20 up to this point but things have been starting to seem a bit fuzzy especially during night time driving. I doubt I'm beyond the 20/40 limit for new accessions, but the NAMI guides I've seen seem to be vague on whether SNA's are "Applicants" or if we fall within the 20/100 "Designated" limits. Thanks doc!
 

BACONATOR

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Once you pass the NAMI physical, you are officially a pipeline SNA and subject to the 20/100 standard. You will get glasses. Easy.
 

Ray-Ban

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Once you pass the NAMI physical, you are officially a pipeline SNA and subject to the 20/100 standard. You will get glasses. Easy.
Sorry to revive and old thread. Are you positive about the 20/100 prior to wings? I only ask because it's relevant to me in primary right now. I've heard you are subject to 20/40 until winging, but I'd love to have that rumor dispelled and ease my own vision concerns.
 

Gatordev

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Sorry to revive and old thread. Are you positive about the 20/100 prior to wings? I only ask because it's relevant to me in primary right now. I've heard you are subject to 20/40 until winging, but I'd love to have that rumor dispelled and ease my own vision concerns.
I only have some (very) historical data to go on, but having done battle with NAMI in the past as an "applicant" (albeit for non-vision related issues), my "applicant" status disappeared after I had my NAMI-whammy/started API/Primary.

Also, FWIW, when I did my NAMI physical, I was told by LT Brand N. Doc that my previous eye exam was "so close it couldn't be any more worse without being out of standards" (20/40). After my exam, the actual eye doc told me it was a little worse, but still in standards. Thanks LT Doc. Douche.

But once I started Primary, no one worried about how close I was. I just read the machine, usually without my glasses.
 

Flash

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I remember there being SNFO standards and NFO standards and the NFO standards didn't apply until I was winged, this was some time ago though so... And yes, it was actually a worry for me since my eyeglass prescription was a little over the limit for SNFO at the time, I passed NAMI but sweated it a little until I was winged. They only occasionally checked my eyeglass prescription again though and just asked me to do the eye chart with and without glasses after that, but I was an NFO though.

I'll pass some advice along that I got from a former Skipper who had bad eyes after I got burned by a Navy ophthalmologist when I was in my first squadron, if you have concerns about how bad your vision is get it checked out in town before going through the Navy. Any halfway decent optometrist can give you a quick check to see where you are, a small price out of pocket for some peace of mind.
 

hdr777

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Sorry to revive and old thread. Are you positive about the 20/100 prior to wings? I only ask because it's relevant to me in primary right now. I've heard you are subject to 20/40 until winging, but I'd love to have that rumor dispelled and ease my own vision concerns.
Reading through the waiver guide, the 20/40 requirement is only for SNA applicants, and here is the definition for class 1 medical service group 1

"Class I: Naval Aviators and Student Naval Aviators (SNA). Designated Naval aviators are subdivided into three Medical Service Groups based upon the physical requirements of their specific flight duty assignment

Medical Service Group 1: Aviators qualified for unlimited or unrestricted flight duties "

This is could be relevant to me in the near future as well, but it seems like you are no longer an applicant and should fall under 20/100, but I can't say that with 100% certainty.

https://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmotc/nami/arwg/Documents/WaiverGuide/01_Physical_Standards.pdf

https://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmotc/nami/arwg/Documents/WaiverGuide/12_Ophthalmology.pdf
 

Gatordev

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Reading through the waiver guide, the 20/40 requirement is only for SNA applicants, and here is the definition for class 1 medical service group 1

"Class I: Naval Aviators and Student Naval Aviators (SNA). Designated Naval aviators are subdivided into three Medical Service Groups based upon the physical requirements of their specific flight duty assignment

Medical Service Group 1: Aviators qualified for unlimited or unrestricted flight duties "

This is could be relevant to me in the near future as well, but it seems like you are no longer an applicant and should fall under 20/100, but I can't say that with 100% certainty.

https://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmotc/nami/arwg/Documents/WaiverGuide/01_Physical_Standards.pdf

https://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmotc/nami/arwg/Documents/WaiverGuide/12_Ophthalmology.pdf
Right, but what Ray - Ban is clarifying is when exactly do you lose the applicant status. It's not once you're commissioned a 1390, it's after that. He's trying to confirm when that is.

From my experience, it's after the NAMI-whammy and/or API.
 

Ray-Ban

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Reading through the waiver guide, the 20/40 requirement is only for SNA applicants, and here is the definition for class 1 medical service group 1

"Class I: Naval Aviators and Student Naval Aviators (SNA). Designated Naval aviators are subdivided into three Medical Service Groups based upon the physical requirements of their specific flight duty assignment

Medical Service Group 1: Aviators qualified for unlimited or unrestricted flight duties "

This is could be relevant to me in the near future as well, but it seems like you are no longer an applicant and should fall under 20/100, but I can't say that with 100% certainty.

https://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmotc/nami/arwg/Documents/WaiverGuide/01_Physical_Standards.pdf

https://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmotc/nami/arwg/Documents/WaiverGuide/12_Ophthalmology.pdf
This is good info. Have to go into branch today, so I might hit my flight doc up and pick his brain. I'll let you guys know what he says.
 

Hopeful Hoya

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At least when I went through last year, we were considered applicants until we successfully passed the NAMI physical during check in at Pcola. After that we fell under the student standards.
 
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